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Post by Eldagusto on Feb 22, 2018 9:56:35 GMT
So why didn't they Regenerate Majin Kakarotto's tail again? Salagir went under the assumption that Saiyans regenerated their Tail, he told me he believed at some point Vegeta must have had his tail wound burned because he said he could just grow it back. And even if the Namek Healing couldn't regenerate the Tail, Babiddi could easily have had it healed and then he would have had a SSJ 2 Golden Oozaru...
Seriously that would be an insanely more useful Servant!!!
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Post by QuentinShuai on Mar 8, 2018 16:14:02 GMT
Let’s get this straight: 1. Babidi has no healing spell 2. Majin boost has no regeneration effect.
Therefore, no, Kakarotto should have no tail in the next 6 month.
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Post by Eldagusto on Mar 17, 2018 11:05:44 GMT
Lets get this straight Nameks heal for free and voluntarily. Majin Buu Heals instantly. We don't know Babiddi has no healing spell, we just know Buu's healing powers are way better. Just like we don't know he doesn't have the power to turn people to Stone or an Egg just because he has minions do it way easier.
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Post by Axalon on Mar 19, 2018 22:34:23 GMT
Honestly? I'm starting to think Kakarot *should* have his tail again after being healed by the Namekian. It'd be a fresh wound since all Vegeta did was rip it off and leave him with a bloody stump and Namekian healing has healed far worse than that.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Mar 20, 2018 1:02:52 GMT
Honestly? I'm starting to think Kakarot *should* have his tail again after being healed by the Namekian. It'd be a fresh wound since all Vegeta did was rip it off and leave him with a bloody stump and Namekian healing has healed far worse than that. While I agree why the tail should've been regenerated, I think having a giant gorilla (with a tail) fighting in the ring would've been excessive. As of this post and assuming that Majin Bra is gonna be a thing, having a SSJ2Oozaru would've been Babidi's best weapon (Buu not counting), second to Majin Cell who would've been fighting off one of the Gohans. The second Gohan wanted to stop Babidi immediately, so I still think he would've have helped out even if Majin SSJ2 Oozaru was a thing. (And I don't think the Heliors would've fared well without the use of Carbonite bc they needed Goten to hold Kakarot down while in SSJ2. Giant Gorilla with already increased durability plus Majin durability means less likely for the Heliors to damage him with their Ultra Weaver. Blast is fine bc it's wide, but damage is a different story... unless the Ultra Weaver was SSJ3 level? I gotta check.) So the only ones who could stand a chance would be the two Piccolos and a potential Mystic Raditz depending on when he shows up. Since the other Majins apart from Dabura are around SSJ or SSJ2 in Ginyu's case (I think...) then MSSJO would tip the scale in Babidi's favor. What am I getting at? That means Babidi wouldn't be desperate enough to try to Majinize Bra and we wouldn't get development on Bra's character (?) nor collateral damage from a Majin SSJ2 Bra by the time the good guys (and U13 Vegeta) return. She may very well be asleep by the time a hypothetical SSJ Oozaru is done trashing the good guys and Babidi moves on. Who knows? Actually, why didn't Kakarotto's tail grow back? Salagir made no comment about Super Saiyan stunting the regrowth of the tail, 4 year old Gohan had his grow back after the first Oozaru transformation in the wastelands, second time was when he was fighting Vegeta. So what gives, was Kakarotto's tail a considered a "forced growth" by ZBuu and only magic (Buu's warping reality level, not normal Namekain level) could grow it back? Did Kakarotto even have his tail before the second night, or did he grow his tail himself before his match with Vegeta?... I feel like I asked this before but somehow forgot the answer.
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Post by Axalon on Mar 20, 2018 2:19:42 GMT
The Retro Kakarotto I don't think it would've been THAT excessive. Between the Heliors and a spare Gohan I feel those two parties could handle the beast. Majin Bra would be excessive, so really anything weaker than her to a significant degree is okay in my book, while Broly was MAXIMUM EXCESSIVE. Plus we still have Ginyu running around potentially ready to body swap with anyone and everyone to make things even more confusing.
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Post by Dismaned on Aug 15, 2021 14:45:31 GMT
He is immortal so it should regenerate on it's own.
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Post by godjacob on Aug 15, 2021 16:52:33 GMT
Let’s get this straight: 1. Babidi has no healing spell 2. Majin boost has no regeneration effect. Therefore, no, Kakarotto should have no tail in the next 6 month. Babidi's magic also doesn't cure anger issues or give a permanent boost to one's power once the Majin symbol is gone, but both of these are in play anyway. Salagir is pretty loose, so a tail growing back seems pretty innocent compared to Bra mastering SSj2 out of it.
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Post by Solus on Aug 17, 2021 11:16:26 GMT
Let’s get this straight: 1. Babidi has no healing spell 2. Majin boost has no regeneration effect. Therefore, no, Kakarotto should have no tail in the next 6 month. Babidi's magic also doesn't cure anger issues or give a permanent boost to one's power once the Majin symbol is gone, but both of these are in play anyway. Salagir is pretty loose, so a tail growing back seems pretty innocent compared to Bra mastering SSj2 out of it. Says who?
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Post by Son Pan on Aug 21, 2021 22:44:26 GMT
He is immortal so it should regenerate on it's own. I don't think Kakarot's immortality gives him regenerative powers. Like Kakarot had a hole in him from U18 Vegeta, but the wound didn't heal on its own. U13 special I think Raditz had to get Kakarot's head sewed back on to his body for him. I don't think immorality would allow for Kakarot's tail to regenerate on its own. I suspect with DBM that immortality wish doesn't come with regeneration like we saw with Garlic Junior filler arc or Zamasu arc of DBS.
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Post by godjacob on Aug 22, 2021 2:05:48 GMT
He is immortal so it should regenerate on it's own. I don't think Kakarot's immortality gives him regenerative powers. Like Kakarot had a hole in him from U18 Vegeta, but the wound didn't heal on its own. U13 special I think Raditz had to get Kakarot's head sewed back on to his body for him. I don't think immorality would allow for Kakarot's tail to regenerate on its own. I suspect with DBM that immortality wish doesn't come with regeneration like we saw with Garlic Junior filler arc or Zamasu arc of DBS. Which is curious as you say, given before DBM Garlic Jr's immortality granted him regenerative abilities, and afterwards Zamasu would show similar properites. Seems highlighted in Dragon Ball immortality and healing go hand in hand, so why Kakarot didn't get the benefit there I am unsure of.
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Post by Son Pan on Aug 22, 2021 17:42:53 GMT
I don't think Kakarot's immortality gives him regenerative powers. Like Kakarot had a hole in him from U18 Vegeta, but the wound didn't heal on its own. U13 special I think Raditz had to get Kakarot's head sewed back on to his body for him. I don't think immorality would allow for Kakarot's tail to regenerate on its own. I suspect with DBM that immortality wish doesn't come with regeneration like we saw with Garlic Junior filler arc or Zamasu arc of DBS. Which is curious as you say, given before DBM Garlic Jr's immortality granted him regenerative abilities, and afterwards Zamasu would show similar properites. Seems highlighted in Dragon Ball immortality and healing go hand in hand, so why Kakarot didn't get the benefit there I am unsure of. Immorality has been depicted in different ways in fiction. Sometimes it just means long lived, but the person can still die. There is some who still age, just will not die from old age. There is immortal that cannot be killed at all. There is even the form of immortality where the being can be killed, but they are always reborn style. With these different forms of immortality I can see how if a character just wished to be immortal how either dragon might interpret that board wish differently and just grant the wisher a different form of immortality than they might have envisioned. If U13 Kakarot just wished to never die or be killed the dragon might have granted that wish, but since the term is so board he made it so he cannot die, but not give him enhanced regeneration since a person doesn’t technically need that to keep them alive. As a result Kakarot is immortal in the since that he cannot he killed or die, but his body can still be damaged or permanently crippled just like anyone else’s. My guess in DBM a better way to have complete immortality would be to wish to never age, a body that instantly regenerate from any form of damage, and to never be killed. The dragon knows exactly what knows exactly what they want and grant it to them. That way a person doesn’t gets Kakarot form of immortality where they can be reduced to a head and spend their immortal existence as that head. I do like the idea that a person makes a wish for immortality it has to be worded correctly or they might not get the results they like over just making the wish to be immortal and the dragon has you covered automatically fills in the gaps to that wish automatically.
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Post by Dismaned on Aug 23, 2021 2:11:01 GMT
He is immortal so it should regenerate on it's own. I don't think Kakarot's immortality gives him regenerative powers. Like Kakarot had a hole in him from U18 Vegeta, but the wound didn't heal on its own. U13 special I think Raditz had to get Kakarot's head sewed back on to his body for him. I don't think immorality would allow for Kakarot's tail to regenerate on its own. I suspect with DBM that immortality wish doesn't come with regeneration like we saw with Garlic Junior filler arc or Zamasu arc of DBS. I imagined it like if he gets decapitated he could grow it back but, it takes a few days so attaching it back on to his head would be faster and easier. I think this was explained on a Page of a U13 special but i never found it so it might just be a false memory.
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Post by Andres on Aug 28, 2021 17:15:30 GMT
I don't think Kakarot's immortality gives him regenerative powers. Like Kakarot had a hole in him from U18 Vegeta, but the wound didn't heal on its own. U13 special I think Raditz had to get Kakarot's head sewed back on to his body for him. I don't think immorality would allow for Kakarot's tail to regenerate on its own. I suspect with DBM that immortality wish doesn't come with regeneration like we saw with Garlic Junior filler arc or Zamasu arc of DBS. I imagined it like if he gets decapitated he could grow it back but, it takes a few days so attaching it back on to his head would be faster and easier. I think this was explained on a Page of a U13 special but i never found it so it might just be a false memory. It was a mini-comic. Let me dig it up for you. www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/strip-97.html
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Post by godjacob on Aug 28, 2021 17:18:45 GMT
Which is curious as you say, given before DBM Garlic Jr's immortality granted him regenerative abilities, and afterwards Zamasu would show similar properites. Seems highlighted in Dragon Ball immortality and healing go hand in hand, so why Kakarot didn't get the benefit there I am unsure of. Immorality has been depicted in different ways in fiction. Sometimes it just means long lived, but the person can still die. There is some who still age, just will not die from old age. There is immortal that cannot be killed at all. There is even the form of immortality where the being can be killed, but they are always reborn style. With these different forms of immortality I can see how if a character just wished to be immortal how either dragon might interpret that board wish differently and just grant the wisher a different form of immortality than they might have envisioned. If U13 Kakarot just wished to never die or be killed the dragon might have granted that wish, but since the term is so board he made it so he cannot die, but not give him enhanced regeneration since a person doesn’t technically need that to keep them alive. As a result Kakarot is immortal in the since that he cannot he killed or die, but his body can still be damaged or permanently crippled just like anyone else’s. My guess in DBM a better way to have complete immortality would be to wish to never age, a body that instantly regenerate from any form of damage, and to never be killed. The dragon knows exactly what knows exactly what they want and grant it to them. That way a person doesn’t gets Kakarot form of immortality where they can be reduced to a head and spend their immortal existence as that head. I do like the idea that a person makes a wish for immortality it has to be worded correctly or they might not get the results they like over just making the wish to be immortal and the dragon has you covered automatically fills in the gaps to that wish automatically. I don't disagree that Immortality works differently across fiction, I just pointed out Dragon Ball seemed to have a universal way that Immortality seemed to work and DBM is the one outlier from it.
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Post by Son Pan on Aug 28, 2021 22:03:10 GMT
Immorality has been depicted in different ways in fiction. Sometimes it just means long lived, but the person can still die. There is some who still age, just will not die from old age. There is immortal that cannot be killed at all. There is even the form of immortality where the being can be killed, but they are always reborn style. With these different forms of immortality I can see how if a character just wished to be immortal how either dragon might interpret that board wish differently and just grant the wisher a different form of immortality than they might have envisioned. If U13 Kakarot just wished to never die or be killed the dragon might have granted that wish, but since the term is so board he made it so he cannot die, but not give him enhanced regeneration since a person doesn’t technically need that to keep them alive. As a result Kakarot is immortal in the since that he cannot he killed or die, but his body can still be damaged or permanently crippled just like anyone else’s. My guess in DBM a better way to have complete immortality would be to wish to never age, a body that instantly regenerate from any form of damage, and to never be killed. The dragon knows exactly what knows exactly what they want and grant it to them. That way a person doesn’t gets Kakarot form of immortality where they can be reduced to a head and spend their immortal existence as that head. I do like the idea that a person makes a wish for immortality it has to be worded correctly or they might not get the results they like over just making the wish to be immortal and the dragon has you covered automatically fills in the gaps to that wish automatically. I don't disagree that Immortality works differently across fiction, I just pointed out Dragon Ball seemed to have a universal way that Immortality seemed to work and DBM is the one outlier from it. I think you missed my point. I think DBM didn’t go with immortality and instant regeneration is because it wanted to play with the idea of immortality wish might be granted. We have to remember before Zamasu the only reference for the wish for immortality was Garlic Junior. There was no true canon depiction of it. If someone made a story pre Super and they wanted use immortality it wouldn’t be crazy to decide to disregard Garlic Junior immortality worked in favor of their own idea. The reason I mentioned immortality is such a broad concept in fiction is because it in theory that could be applied to DB universe and depend on how the user made the wish. Like if Kakarot just wished to never die I don’t think it is so wild that the dragon just granted him the ability to never die, but didn’t grant him an ability to regenerate instantly. I personally think it is fun idea to play with because all the characters just assume wishing for immortality is going to make them invincible like Vegeta or Freeza. It would be the ultimate troll to reveal immortality doesn’t automatically come with regeneration. So say if Vegeta made his wish on Namek and immediately challenged Freeza afterward only to discover body can still be destroyed. Now Vegeta just gets reduced to a head and kept in a jar for Freeza to torture him over and over again and Vegeta being immortal just means he has to suffer until Freeza dies of natural causes. I am surprised Toriyama didn’t go with that with when he made immortal wish canon to DB. He likes to do stuff like that.
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Post by Dismaned on Aug 29, 2021 1:50:45 GMT
I imagined it like if he gets decapitated he could grow it back but, it takes a few days so attaching it back on to his head would be faster and easier. I think this was explained on a Page of a U13 special but i never found it so it might just be a false memory.It was a mini-comic. Let me dig it up for you. www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/strip-97.htmlThanks bud.
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Post by عمار on Aug 29, 2021 14:52:01 GMT
Son Pan godjacob DismanedHere's all what you need to know about Kakarotto's immortality from Salagir's Twitch videos: Q6. Okay let's ask about different characters: U13 Kakarotto, I'm still confused about his immortality, can he regenerate his body like Cell or Buu?
Salagir: Yes, he can regenerate, but very very slowly. Why? because if he can't then you will just cut his head & put it away. but if he can regenerate like the head & body coming together (Very slowly). But I didn't want to make it overpowered, too many people can regenerate. So he can regenerate, but very very very slowly. Q. I'm going to ask you about Kakarotto's immortality again, because I'm still confused about it. When he lose his head does he regrow a new head?
Q. I still don't understand what happened to Kakaroth U13 after his head was cut off by Vegeta. Did someone put it on his neck? Did he do it himself?
Salagir: I imagine that Raditz put it on his neck. & about if his head will regrow, so Kakarotto will have healing power but slow ones, so it's not as strong as namekians. so if you cut his head & take his head with you, he's kinda fucked. His body will regrow, but it will take weeks & weeks. So it's faster to just put his back. Q. On Page 1701, you write a comment about Kakarotto's immortality, You said that Raditz fear that Vegeta will kill him & his brother (If he destroyed to the last atom.) So if Kakarotto's body is completely destroyed he is good as dead?
Salagir: No! Immortality is immortality. He will come back to life, but it will take months. His body will re-consist itself from nothing slowly. So, what I gather from this is: When you "Kill" Kakarotto, his body will start to regenerate/heal, but the prosses will be very very slow, & the bigger the wounds are the longer it will take for his body to regenerate/heal enough for him to be "alive" again. Once he's "alive" & conscious, the regenerating/healing will stop & he will need medical attention for full recovery.
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Post by Son Pan on Aug 29, 2021 19:13:57 GMT
Makes sense. His immortality just kicks in when he dies, the magic revives him, but only heals him enough to keep him alive. His regeneration is slow that it is basically barely above how regular body heals already. I do like the reason to keep Kakarot from being another Cell or Buu. Seems his tail wouldn’t regenerate instantly.
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Post by عمار on Aug 29, 2021 20:01:13 GMT
Makes sense. His immortality just kicks in when he dies, the magic revives him, but only heals him enough to keep him alive. His regeneration is slow that it is basically barely above how regular body heals already. I do like the reason to keep Kakarot from being another Cell or Buu. Seems his tail wouldn’t regenerate instantly. I don't think his tail will regrow at all. His tail only regrow because of Zen Buu's magic. Unless Zen Buu taught him how do it instead of regrow it himself.
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