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Post by sonleon on Mar 28, 2018 2:27:53 GMT
Let’s start with the definition of Mastery, "Control or superiority over someone or something." I know what you’re thinking!!! Goku does have "control" or "superiority" over UI. I mean, he does attain the complete form to fight Jiren using both the defense and offensive aspects of UI. However, at the end of episode 131, Vegeta tells Goku to use his UI and Goku replies by saying he can’t because he must have been pushed to the edge to enter UI. He might have been able to complete the form, but he can’t enter the form at will. Unfortunately, this means he didn’t quite "master" UI as much as he figured out how to use it to its full power. Also remember there is a toll he pays to use UI much like when he started using SSBKK for the first time. So, his body also needs to get used to the toll of using the form. I do believe he will eventually master the form like he did with SSJ from the Frieza saga to his ki control with the from the cell saga. That’s a given. now my question is: What’s next? Will he use SSJ UI? What do you guys think?
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Post by Axalon on Mar 28, 2018 2:35:07 GMT
Given that he needs extreme stress to even enter the form what we're seeing with UI is analogous to when Goku first used SS1 and had trouble with it initially. "What's next" will be either actually controlling and using UI at will, or Goku getting another hair color as a stepping stone to getting UI at will with UI itself still held in reserve for the "Final Boss Fight" of the main arc if they actually push Goku hard enough.
...Which in retrospect either means an opponent stronger than MUI Goku, or stronger than Goku but weaker than MUI Goku. Kinda feels like a bit of a narrative corner when UI can pop up out of nowhere.
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Post by sonleon on Mar 28, 2018 2:50:01 GMT
Given that he needs extreme stress to even enter the form what we're seeing with UI is analogous to when Goku first used SS1 and had trouble with it initially. "What's next" will be either actually controlling and using UI at will, or Goku getting another hair color as a stepping stone to getting UI at will with UI itself still held in reserve for the "Final Boss Fight" of the main arc if they actually push Goku hard enough. ...Which in retrospect either means an opponent stronger than MUI Goku, or stronger than Goku but weaker than MUI Goku. Kinda feels like a bit of a narrative corner when UI can pop up out of nowhere. Thats really bad. so UI will be the "deus ex machina" for a while. I'm just starting to hope its not like SSJ. where everyone gets the form after 100 more episodes. i know S-Cells explain why so many SSJ started to show up but there should be a limit. with vegeta and berrus possible getting the UI next, ill be on the look out for that now too. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 3:00:07 GMT
Would using SSJ while in UI give out a different hair colour if at all? UI seems like it's just Old Kai's Mystic Unlock you can achieve yourself but with downsides. I dunno man, I predicted Goku's new form would be him in base and that's what we got, but I don't think UI will be used again and if so, not for a while. For all we know it can only be achieved while in being in the God Realm or w/e that void place was. Point is Vegeta is officially stronger than Goku, unless of course Vegeta can't access his buffed SSJBx2Uber form in the normal world like Goku can't access UI and tbh I wouldn't be surprised at all if they went with this. This might explain why Toppo was so easily able to use Hakai's. edit: Oh welcome to the forum sonleon |
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Post by sonleon on Mar 28, 2018 19:40:03 GMT
Would using SSJ while in UI give out a different hair colour if at all? UI seems like it's just Old Kai's Mystic Unlock you can achieve yourself but with downsides. I dunno man, I predicted Goku's new form would be him in base and that's what we got, but I don't think UI will be used again and if so, not for a while. For all we know it can only be achieved while in being in the God Realm or w/e that void place was. Point is Vegeta is officially stronger than Goku, unless of course Vegeta can't access his buffed SSJBx2Uber form in the normal world like Goku can't access UI and tbh I wouldn't be surprised at all if they went with this. This might explain why Toppo was so easily able to use Hakai's. edit: Oh welcome to the forum sonleon Well they have to sell toys so im sure that UI will come back. And im saying he might be able to use SSJ with UI because they did it with SSG to SSB. also why would whis train both goku and vegeta to use UI if they could only use it in the realm of gods? they did say goku cant use UI at will but they didnt say if vegeta could use SSB evolution at will. so as far as that goes i have no idea, time will tell. Lastly it was said that toppo was being trained to be the next G.O.D since jiren didnt want the job. |
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Post by Axalon on Mar 28, 2018 22:49:06 GMT
Would using SSJ while in UI give out a different hair colour if at all? UI seems like it's just Old Kai's Mystic Unlock you can achieve yourself but with downsides. I dunno man, I predicted Goku's new form would be him in base and that's what we got, but I don't think UI will be used again and if so, not for a while. For all we know it can only be achieved while in being in the God Realm or w/e that void place was. Point is Vegeta is officially stronger than Goku, unless of course Vegeta can't access his buffed SSJBx2Uber form in the normal world like Goku can't access UI and tbh I wouldn't be surprised at all if they went with this. This might explain why Toppo was so easily able to use Hakai's. edit: Oh welcome to the forum sonleon Well they have to sell toys so im sure that UI will come back. And im saying he might be able to use SSJ with UI because they did it with SSG to SSB. also why would whis train both goku and vegeta to use UI if they could only use it in the realm of gods? they did say goku cant use UI at will but they didnt say if vegeta could use SSB evolution at will. so as far as that goes i have no idea, time will tell. Lastly it was said that toppo was being trained to be the next G.O.D since jiren didnt want the job.This was likely MUI Goku's ONLY saving grace. Just look at what GoD ki did to Toppo. The physical changes, the new abilities, the huge powerup. Vegeta had to burn up all the energy of his own new transformation just to nullify Toppo. Now imagine that it's Jiren, not Toppo, who has this ability. Jiren was so powerful on his own that he's the only fighter able to last even a short while against MUI Goku. But now let him transform?! Give him a destructive aura that negates almost everything it comes in contact with? Give him the ability to HAKAI? Buff him up so his six-pack has a six-pack? Shirtless PTSD God of Destruction Jiren > Shirtless MUI Goku >> Shirtless PTSD Jiren On a side note, Jiren's backstory IMO is the perfect plausible explanation as to why he refused the job even with the power boost it offered. He'd have to have help from Belmod and his angel to become a GoD. And we all know Jiren thinks help is for the weak and foolish. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 23:30:11 GMT
Would using SSJ while in UI give out a different hair colour if at all? UI seems like it's just Old Kai's Mystic Unlock you can achieve yourself but with downsides. I dunno man, I predicted Goku's new form would be him in base and that's what we got, but I don't think UI will be used again and if so, not for a while. For all we know it can only be achieved while in being in the God Realm or w/e that void place was. Point is Vegeta is officially stronger than Goku, unless of course Vegeta can't access his buffed SSJBx2Uber form in the normal world like Goku can't access UI and tbh I wouldn't be surprised at all if they went with this. This might explain why Toppo was so easily able to use Hakai's. edit: Oh welcome to the forum sonleon Well they have to sell toys so im sure that UI will come back. And im saying he might be able to use SSJ with UI because they did it with SSG to SSB. also why would whis train both goku and vegeta to use UI if they could only use it in the realm of gods? they did say goku cant use UI at will but they didnt say if vegeta could use SSB evolution at will. so as far as that goes i have no idea, time will tell. Lastly it was said that toppo was being trained to be the next G.O.D since jiren didnt want the job. I wonder if they just have the SSJ hair but black if they go with SSJMUIuberSurpassedGoku. Jesus that's sounds silly. I'm aware that Toppo was being trained to be the next GoD I was just implying the ease and frequency of which he was able to Hakai may have been due to the location of the ToP. The ideas I suggested here aren't ideas I particularly like and over the course of Supers run I have had to think like a senile old man and an incompetent money hungry production company in order to try and make sense of things or even come close to predicting something. I am still amazed I predicted Goku's new form in the ToP would be him in base, but speshull. Vegeta is not the type of bloke who would fight Goku at an even level if he had access to a higher one all the while screeching that he won't allow Goku to stay ahead of him, forgot the exact wording, either way it implied (to me at least) that Vegeta doesn't have access to his 2blu form atm and in keeping with my newly attained senility thinking skillz the only way for all these factors to make sense is to have the area of the ToP unknowingly buff the participants who are able to surpass themselves. Don't get me wrong, I think it's retarded too and I feel spastic for even suggesting this but that's what DBS has done to me, otherwise once again it comes down to terrible writing and I am sick of saying that about one of my favouritest franchises. |
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Post by sonleon on Apr 2, 2018 18:21:28 GMT
Well they have to sell toys so im sure that UI will come back. And im saying he might be able to use SSJ with UI because they did it with SSG to SSB. also why would whis train both goku and vegeta to use UI if they could only use it in the realm of gods? they did say goku cant use UI at will but they didnt say if vegeta could use SSB evolution at will. so as far as that goes i have no idea, time will tell. Lastly it was said that toppo was being trained to be the next G.O.D since jiren didnt want the job. I wonder if they just have the SSJ hair but black if they go with SSJMUIuberSurpassedGoku. Jesus that's sounds silly. I'm aware that Toppo was being trained to be the next GoD I was just implying the ease and frequency of which he was able to Hakai may have been due to the location of the ToP. The ideas I suggested here aren't ideas I particularly like and over the course of Supers run I have had to think like a senile old man and an incompetent money hungry production company in order to try and make sense of things or even come close to predicting something. I am still amazed I predicted Goku's new form in the ToP would be him in base, but speshull. Vegeta is not the type of bloke who would fight Goku at an even level if he had access to a higher one all the while screeching that he won't allow Goku to stay ahead of him, forgot the exact wording, either way it implied (to me at least) that Vegeta doesn't have access to his 2blu form atm and in keeping with my newly attained senility thinking skillz the only way for all these factors to make sense is to have the area of the ToP unknowingly buff the participants who are able to surpass themselves. Don't get me wrong, I think it's retarded too and I feel spastic for even suggesting this but that's what DBS has done to me, otherwise once again it comes down to terrible writing and I am sick of saying that about one of my favouritest franchises. Honestly, i do understand what you mean by terrible writing but i make an exception with Dragon Ball. Personally its never had the best story telling. Anyways ive come to the conclusion that id be watching dragon ball fully knowing that the story will have plot holes and story problems lol |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 0:34:29 GMT
Umm sonleon , the post above doesn't say anything, it's just quoting me. edit: wait no, you just accidentally added your post to my quote: Indeed, that's why I always compare DB with your spouse, you love it and you hate it but even with all it's glaring faults you will never leave because you can't live without it. |
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Post by sonleon on Apr 5, 2018 19:53:00 GMT
Umm sonleon , the post above doesn't say anything, it's just quoting me. edit: wait no, you just accidentally added your post to my quote: Indeed, that's why I always compare DB with your spouse, you love it and you hate it but even with all it's glaring faults you will never leave because you can't live without it. This was by far the best thing ive read today LOL |
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