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Post by Griffith on Apr 9, 2017 6:49:57 GMT
No, King Cold is not stronger than Freeza. This baffling idea originated from Vegeta's line. The problem with this line however is that Mecha Freeza, was heavily suppressed here, so that means by at least in the anime King Cold is above a suppressed Mecha Freeza. We know that because of Gohan's line which appeared in the manga, and anime. But unfortunately I only have the manga scans. Of course every other source including King Cold himself, labels Freeza as the strongest on the universe. Heck Freeza only brought King Cold as back up against the Super Saiyan. And including all of that every guide book always makes mention of King Cold's power being inferior to Freeza's. So at the end of the day, no King Cold is not stronger than his son. Rather his son is stronger than King Cold. Attachments:
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Post by TheAncientCenturion on Apr 26, 2017 2:26:19 GMT
Agreed, in the DBZ equivalent of the Databooks, it's confirmed. King Cold is described as coming short to his son.
Frieza is/was the strongest being in his prime.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 2:45:37 GMT
Yeah there was nothing ever implied King Cold was stronger in the manga. In DBM canon, he was only more powerful than Freeza when he transforms beyond his 2nd form. I wasn't really a big fan of how much more powerful King Cold was compared to his sons in DBM. I could see Ginyu mastering Cold's 4th form so that it increases his power to above 100% Freeza and then he obtained a 5th form to surpass Cooler. That way even if King Cold transformed against Trunks it wouldn't have made a big difference at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 9:17:16 GMT
Since when was it ever implied he can suppress his power? What i get from this is that Gohan is comparing his original form from when he first revealed it to how it felt while he beefed while fighting Goku. For a character like Freeza, not killing his dad to gain total control of said fathers empire is out of character therefore he is called King Kold for a reason and that reason is because he is stronger. Kold treats Freeza like the spoiled child that he is.
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Post by Griffith on Apr 26, 2017 23:21:07 GMT
Since when was it ever implied he can suppress his power? What i get from this is that Gohan is comparing his original form from when he first revealed it to how it felt while he beefed while fighting Goku. For a character like Freeza, not killing his dad to gain total control of said fathers empire is out of character therefore he is called King Kold for a reason and that reason is because he is stronger. Kold treats Freeza like the spoiled child that he is. Gohan outright states that Freeza is suppressing his power. If he was stating that Freeza was much stronger than he originally was on Namek it would go more along this. "This is nothing he's way stronger than he was on Namek." We know hardly anything about how Freeza and King Cold's relation ship works, for all we know King Cold isn't ruling the empire, and has handed it over to Freeza. He could just call himself King Cold out of respect. If King Cold tried that shit on Freeza, he'd rip the old coot in half.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Apr 26, 2017 23:40:09 GMT
Their powers are equal.
The power tier of both Mecha Freeza and King Cold is "big bad-ass from the previous saga who gets oneshotted and utterly humiliated by the new protagonist with some Fancy swordmanship, in order to showcase how dangerous the new villains will be".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 2:04:58 GMT
Since when was it ever implied he can suppress his power? What i get from this is that Gohan is comparing his original form from when he first revealed it to how it felt while he beefed while fighting Goku. For a character like Freeza, not killing his dad to gain total control of said fathers empire is out of character therefore he is called King Kold for a reason and that reason is because he is stronger. Kold treats Freeza like the spoiled child that he is. Gohan outright states that Freeza is suppressing his power. If he was stating that Freeza was much stronger than he originally was on Namek it would go more along this. "This is nothing he's way stronger than he was on Namek." We know hardly anything about how Freeza and King Cold's relation ship works, for all we know King Cold isn't ruling the empire, and has handed it over to Freeza. He could just call himself King Cold out of respect. If King Cold tried that shit on Freeza, he'd rip the old coot in half. Gohan does NOT explicitly state he is suppressing his power so I don't see how my interpretation can be incorrect as Gohan only states that he can get stronger, as in 50% full power and 100% full power. If Freeza was capable of suppressing his power in his original form then that makes his power reduction forms redundant and nothing but filler used to pad out the Namek saga. I beg to differ, but using this as an example, for all we know King Kold is merely entertaining his spoiled child with the notion of heading the empire. King Kold - Lord Freeza, seems pretty open and shut on who holds the higher position. Also, even IF Kold is 'weaker' than Freeza when they come to Earth, it isn't by much and he has two reduction forms under his belt. They may have both died like bitches but Kold is definitely stronger than Freeza.
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Post by Griffith on Apr 27, 2017 3:02:26 GMT
Gohan does NOT explicitly state he is suppressing his power so I don't see how my interpretation can be incorrect as Gohan only states that he can get stronger, as in 50% full power and 100% full power. If Freeza was capable of suppressing his power in his original form then that makes his power reduction forms redundant and nothing but filler used to pad out the Namek saga. I beg to differ, but using this as an example, for all we know King Kold is merely entertaining his spoiled child with the notion of heading the empire. King Kold - Lord Freeza, seems pretty open and shut on who holds the higher position. Also, even IF Kold is 'weaker' than Freeza when they come to Earth, it isn't by much and he has two reduction forms under his belt. They may have both died like bitches but Kold is definitely stronger than Freeza. He implies it by outright stating that he is suppressing his power. Your interpretation of what Gohan is saying makes no sense. He is stating "This is nothing... He gets way stronger than this." It is essentially implying Freeza is suppressing his gargantuan strength. There is no way around this statement. Freeza can suppress his strength far more than that as he was capable of not squashing base form Vegeta with a single strike. The Ginyu force were essentially the filler in the Namek Saga. And heck, even if you ignore that statement every guide book describes King Cold's power as inferior to his sons. Heck Freeza only brang King Cold in the first place as he was essentially back up, that would not be the case if King Cold was stronger than his son. And that does not change the fact that even King Cold himself treats Freeza as the strongest in the universe. I cannot help but disagree with that statement. Also, as it was stated in a Guide Book King Cold rules behind the scene. And King Cold in the original manga doesn't even have a name, he's only refereed to as Freeza's father. And also, meet Kuriza son of Freeza. By the looks of it he should be in his first form, and he has two higher forms. Right? Nope, that's his only transformation. For all we know King Cold has only one suppression form that he needs, and Freeza molded his form after his father. The two may have both died like bitches but Freeza is definitely stronger than his father.
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Post by Ashanark on Apr 27, 2017 4:16:11 GMT
To me, Gohan's statement makes perfect sense. He saw Frieza go max power on Namek, he knows that Mecha Frieza at that moment wasn't as powerful as max Namek-Frieza. Which we can see: Mecha Frieza was still slim, not all roided up like max Frieza. So: Mecha Frieza (resting) < 100% Frieza. Now, Frieza claimed he was more powerful as a cyborg, though since he got killed by Trunks right away we never got to test that claim. However, if he's right, then presumably he's referring to himself at full power. So: Mecha Frieza (resting) < 100% Frieza < 100% Mecha Frieza. It could very well be that, had Mecha Frieza powered up, his fight with Trunks might've been a bit more interesting. But since Trunks is actually competent, he didn't allow that to happen. Now, the Z-Fighters never specified if Cold was stronger or weaker, just that he was around the same tier, so: King Cold ~ Mecha Frieza (resting) Of course, in DBM Cold's only in his 2nd form, making him loads stronger overall. But in the original manga, no mention is made of Cold having forms like Frieza. Either way, the fact that Frieza is at least on the same tier as his father while a lot younger is evidence of his greater potential.
From a story perspective, since Cold is defeated second, we could argue he is the greater threat. It's better for drama if the second opponent is more dangerous than the first, after all. But then again, wouldn't the Z-Fighters mention that? It's always been my opinion Frieza was way stronger. His more decisive nature seems to indicate that. To be honest, this whole situation is stupid. It's a classic case of Toriyama coming up with stuff and not thinking it through. King Cold is never once mentioned before his appearance besides a passing reference by Frieza that only his parents had hurt his true form, but even then he doesn't specify his parents are alive. Frieza is considered this godlike emperor-being, so it's ridiculous his father, who's at least on his level, is not mentioned once by anyone. In my opinion, Goku should've killed Frieza on Namek. Then some other weaker Frost Demon could've attacked Earth for Trunks to kill. But bringing in King Cold did absolutely nothing for the story. Also, Kuriza doesn't exist. Not in the original manga = not original intent = ignored.
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Post by Griffith on Apr 27, 2017 4:42:40 GMT
Also, Kuriza doesn't exist. Not in the original manga = not original intent = ignored. Bruh, it seems you've forgotten that there's no official canon. But, the only reason why I ever mentioned Kuriza, and used his as a reference is because his designs are all created by Akira Toriyama. He has the Toriyama seal of approval. And, I like the little guy.
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Post by Ashanark on Apr 27, 2017 4:53:31 GMT
Also, Kuriza doesn't exist. Not in the original manga = not original intent = ignored. Bruh, it seems you've forgotten that there's no official canon. But, the only reason why I ever mentioned Kuriza, and used his as a reference is because his designs are all created by Akira Toriyama. He has the Toriyama seal of approval. And, I like the little guy. He's definitely a cute little stinker. All I meant was, I believe only the original manga counts, meaning no movies, no DBGT, no Super, and even no Toriyama interviews. I can admire Wheelo, Broly, Bojack and his gang, and Kuriza for being Toriyama-designed and better-looking than 99% of other non-manga characters, but I can ignore them if I want
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Post by Griffith on Apr 27, 2017 4:55:58 GMT
Bruh, it seems you've forgotten that there's no official canon. But, the only reason why I ever mentioned Kuriza, and used his as a reference is because his designs are all created by Akira Toriyama. He has the Toriyama seal of approval. And, I like the little guy. He's definitely a cute little stinker. All I meant was, I believe only the original manga counts, meaning no movies, no DBGT, no Super, and even no Toriyama interviews. I can admire Wheelo, Broly, Bojack and his gang, and Kuriza for being Toriyama-designed and better-looking than 99% of other non-manga characters, but I can ignore them if I want His designs are the best. Actually, Kuriza only ever showed up in Neko Majin Z. Which technically once was the original squeal to the manga.
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Post by SSJ4 GOD Multi on Apr 27, 2017 4:56:55 GMT
Gohan does NOT explicitly state he is suppressing his power so I don't see how my interpretation can be incorrect as Gohan only states that he can get stronger, as in 50% full power and 100% full power. If Freeza was capable of suppressing his power in his original form then that makes his power reduction forms redundant and nothing but filler used to pad out the Namek saga. I beg to differ, but using this as an example, for all we know King Kold is merely entertaining his spoiled child with the notion of heading the empire. King Kold - Lord Freeza, seems pretty open and shut on who holds the higher position. Also, even IF Kold is 'weaker' than Freeza when they come to Earth, it isn't by much and he has two reduction forms under his belt. They may have both died like bitches but Kold is definitely stronger than Freeza. He implies it by outright stating that he is suppressing his power. Your interpretation of what Gohan is saying makes no sense. He is stating "This is nothing... He gets way stronger than this." It is essentially implying Freeza is suppressing his gargantuan strength. There is no way around this statement. Freeza can suppress his strength far more than that as he was capable of not squashing base form Vegeta with a single strike. The Ginyu force were essentially the filler in the Namek Saga. And heck, even if you ignore that statement every guide book describes King Cold's power as inferior to his sons. Heck Freeza only brang King Cold in the first place as he was essentially back up, that would not be the case if King Cold was stronger than his son. And that does not change the fact that even King Cold himself treats Freeza as the strongest in the universe. I cannot help but disagree with that statement. Also, as it was stated in a Guide Book King Cold rules behind the scene. And King Cold in the original manga doesn't even have a name, he's only refereed to as Freeza's father. And also, meet Kuriza son of Freeza. By the looks of it he should be in his first form, and he has two higher forms. Right? Nope, that's his only transformation. For all we know King Cold has only one suppression form that he needs, and Freeza molded his form after his father. The two may have both died like bitches but Freeza is definitely stronger than his father. I never treat databooks as official and the top source of information because it contradicts the main story sometimes so I usually goes off what makes the most sense or what is the common consciences with the community. But I doubt Frieza was suppressing his power when on Earth, Frieza never trained in his life at this point in time (if you count Resurrection F) so how did he learn to suppress his power? Even if you don't count Resurrection F since it wasn't created at this point in time, do you honestly believe that Frieza would have pulled a Vegeta and learn to control his ki? Doubtful. Frieza after gaining his cybernetics and more power only wanted revenge and rushed to Earth once recuperated. Like on Namek Frieza wasn't suppressing his power he was either in his restricted form or wasn't at his full power. Frieza can raise his power but that's about it, he just lets it relax which isn't even at a low power level, his power is regarded in the millions. Gohan sensed Frieza's power from his 1st form to his final form and when Frieza was in his final form he sensed his power from 1% to 50%. So knowing that Frieza could get even stronger comparing the power he sensed on Namek then that comment makes perfect sense when he says, "This is nothing... He gets way stronger than this."And though the databooks states that Cold is weaker than Frieza, does it make any sense? His name has "KING" in it, why have the name KING Cold if your not the king. They could have easily just named him Cold. And why would Frieza leave his father alive? If his father is the true ruler or is even a threat of trying to take over his organization wouldn't a tyrant like Frieza kill his father immediately. Even if Cold is weaker why leave someone who is a possible threat alive? I doubt its sentiment for keeping him around. Frieza also said that he had never been hurt in his life except by his parents, referring to King Cold since he is his father which means Cold was able to damage him at least. And Cold working behind the scenes seems to imply that he is the TRUE ruler while he makes his son as the poster boy/"true" ruler to the public. Though it is never stated who is stronger in the manga and we never saw Cold and Frieza go all out when on Earth it's pretty much your own opinion on how you look at it. Just how Cold was directing Frieza, scolded him, and treated him like a child, this is only a relationship shown between a father who is controlling their child's life. And we have no idea which form Cold is in. Everyone assumes that Cold is in his second form since it looks almost exactly like Frieza's second form but he doesn't resemble the final form like Cooler and Frieza. And regarding Kuriza he does have a final form an looks exactly like Frieza and Cooler, not King Cold. But again this is all speculation on who is stronger. If you follow the databooks then Cold is stronger but if you go by your own assumptions and word play in the manga/anime then Cold is stronger. I'm on the side of Cold being stronger though.
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Post by fooshin on Apr 27, 2017 5:11:50 GMT
Just my opinion but they are definitely close in strength. Freeza says, "with the 2 of us together it will be no trouble. I could probably do it by myself since I have my upgrades." He expresses doubt he could kill goku by himself even with his upgrades. Clearly this means cold is at a minimum very close in strength to freeza otherwise he would be irrelevant.
Given that freeza's true form is what it is and that cold looks like he does it really does seem like cold is in a state of reduction which makes saligir's depiction seem credible enough.
Just my opinion but I have to agree with Jim's depiction that all the bragging by freeza is just cold letting his son be the spoiled brat that he is. He doesn't care if his son falsely boasts about his power to his enemies shortly before killing them. It simply doesn't matter.
Kinda hard to tell what Akira was planning at that moment but the later cooler movie does seem to give more credibility to the idea that he was in reduction. Freeza wasn't the only demon capable of going back to his real form.
The interesting thing for me is that even though I can see trunks catching them completely off guard, it would seem that if cold could transform, he probably would have against goku in the original timeline. Goku's simply not going for the quick kill like trunks and would have naively given in to any stall tactics cold would have needed to transform.
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Post by fooshin on Apr 27, 2017 5:20:35 GMT
King Cold ~ Mecha Frieza (resting) Completely agree with your post but just wanted to point out one flaw in your above formula... you assume king cold is at his max in your comparison. Should instead read: King Cold (resting) ~ mecha freeza (resting). Nothing indicated he had powered up or was even expecting to fight so it's just as reasonable an assumption that neither of them were maxed out in that moment.
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Post by Griffith on Apr 27, 2017 5:26:42 GMT
I never treat databooks as official and the top source of information because it contradicts the main story sometimes so I usually goes off what makes the most sense or what is the common consciences with the community. But I doubt Frieza was suppressing his power when on Earth, Frieza never trained in his life at this point in time (if you count Resurrection F) so how did he learn to suppress his power? Even if you don't count Resurrection F since it wasn't created at this point in time, do you honestly believe that Frieza would have pulled a Vegeta and learn to control his ki? Doubtful. Frieza after gaining his cybernetics and more power only wanted revenge and rushed to Earth once recuperated. Like on Namek Frieza wasn't suppressing his power he was either in his restricted form or wasn't at his full power. Frieza can raise his power but that's about it, he just lets it relax which isn't even at a low power level, his power is regarded in the millions. Gohan sensed Frieza's power from his 1st form to his final form and when Frieza was in his final form he sensed his power from 1% to 50%. So knowing that Frieza could get even stronger comparing the power he sensed on Namek then that comment makes perfect sense when he says, "This is nothing... He gets way stronger than this."And though the databooks states that Cold is weaker than Frieza, does it make any sense? His name has "KING" in it, why have the name KING Cold if your not the king. They could have easily just named him Cold. And why would Frieza leave his father alive? If his father is the true ruler or is even a threat of trying to take over his organization wouldn't a tyrant like Frieza kill his father immediately. Even if Cold is weaker why leave someone who is a possible threat alive? I doubt its sentiment for keeping him around. Frieza also said that he had never been hurt in his life except by his parents, referring to King Cold since he is his father which means Cold was able to damage him at least. And Cold working behind the scenes seems to imply that he is the TRUE ruler while he makes his son as the poster boy/"true" ruler to the public. Though it is never stated who is stronger in the manga and we never saw Cold and Frieza go all out when on Earth it's pretty much your own opinion on how you look at it. Just how Cold was directing Frieza, scolded him, and treated him like a child, this is only a relationship shown between a father who is controlling their child's life. And we have no idea which form Cold is in. Everyone assumes that Cold is in his second form since it looks almost exactly like Frieza's second form but he doesn't resemble the final form like Cooler and Frieza. And regarding Kuriza he does have a final form an looks exactly like Frieza and Cooler, not King Cold. But again this is all speculation on who is stronger. If you follow the databooks then Cold is stronger but if you go by your own assumptions and word play in the manga/anime then Cold is stronger. I'm on the side of Cold being stronger though.
But, in this particular instance the guide books do hold quite a bit of weight as they do not contradict anything, they only serve to confirm what is already a face in the manga. He simply learned to do so from watching others do so. Kinda like Son Goku did. He clearly did know how to control his Ki, when he lowered his power to just enough to kick Vegeta's butt without crushing him in a single hit. This stuff is shown in the original manga alot. So Freeza becoming the magical exception to this rule has always been something that has bothered me. But, Freeza clearing did show the ability to suppress his strength. Kinda like when he kicked the shit out of Vegeta, and when he lowered his power-level to kick the shit out of Piccolo. No, he can suppress his power. This is something that has been shown repeatedly. King Cold in the original manga was only ever refereed to as Freeza's father. And even then, why the fuck does having king in your title automatically make you stronger than everyone else? King Vegeta was weaker than his son Prince Vegeta yet I see no one making a fuss over that. Maybe, Freeza let his father live because he did not hate his father, maybe he actually trusted his father, maybe he let his father keep the word king to spite him. Heck, King Cold being stronger than Freeza makes even less sense as Freeza would train to get stronger. Are you really going to rely on a line with no exposition behind it? For all we know King Cold just spanked him as a baby. Because, Freeza is his son, and they have a father son relationship. And even if you go by the word play, and what was outright stated in the manga Freeza is still superior to his father.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 14:15:32 GMT
Toriyama did design almost all the "official" Frost Demons (Freeza, King Cold, Cooler, Kuriza, Chilled, and Frost). Some were non-canon but I think Toriyama would at least be trying to have some consistency and design them based on how he believes other members of Freeza's race could be depicted in the manga. If Toriyama had King Cold's two sons and grandson transform, it wouldn't be that farfetched for King Cold to have at least one transformation. Kuriza was young so it could be said that he wasn't that strong yet and only needed one reduction form.
I do believe King Cold was intended to be weaker than Freeza but I don't think he was too far behind. 100% King Cold might be around 90-95% Freeza. He should be close enough to Freeza's power that Freeza wouldn't consider it worth the risk to challenge him. It would be like mutually assured destruction between two countries having a nuclear war. Freeza might win in the end but he would be left in really bad shape and might not survive long.
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Post by SSJ4 GOD Multi on Apr 27, 2017 17:39:49 GMT
I never treat databooks as official and the top source of information because it contradicts the main story sometimes so I usually goes off what makes the most sense or what is the common consciences with the community. But I doubt Frieza was suppressing his power when on Earth, Frieza never trained in his life at this point in time (if you count Resurrection F) so how did he learn to suppress his power? Even if you don't count Resurrection F since it wasn't created at this point in time, do you honestly believe that Frieza would have pulled a Vegeta and learn to control his ki? Doubtful. Frieza after gaining his cybernetics and more power only wanted revenge and rushed to Earth once recuperated. Like on Namek Frieza wasn't suppressing his power he was either in his restricted form or wasn't at his full power. Frieza can raise his power but that's about it, he just lets it relax which isn't even at a low power level, his power is regarded in the millions. Gohan sensed Frieza's power from his 1st form to his final form and when Frieza was in his final form he sensed his power from 1% to 50%. So knowing that Frieza could get even stronger comparing the power he sensed on Namek then that comment makes perfect sense when he says, "This is nothing... He gets way stronger than this."And though the databooks states that Cold is weaker than Frieza, does it make any sense? His name has "KING" in it, why have the name KING Cold if your not the king. They could have easily just named him Cold. And why would Frieza leave his father alive? If his father is the true ruler or is even a threat of trying to take over his organization wouldn't a tyrant like Frieza kill his father immediately. Even if Cold is weaker why leave someone who is a possible threat alive? I doubt its sentiment for keeping him around. Frieza also said that he had never been hurt in his life except by his parents, referring to King Cold since he is his father which means Cold was able to damage him at least. And Cold working behind the scenes seems to imply that he is the TRUE ruler while he makes his son as the poster boy/"true" ruler to the public. Though it is never stated who is stronger in the manga and we never saw Cold and Frieza go all out when on Earth it's pretty much your own opinion on how you look at it. Just how Cold was directing Frieza, scolded him, and treated him like a child, this is only a relationship shown between a father who is controlling their child's life. And we have no idea which form Cold is in. Everyone assumes that Cold is in his second form since it looks almost exactly like Frieza's second form but he doesn't resemble the final form like Cooler and Frieza. And regarding Kuriza he does have a final form an looks exactly like Frieza and Cooler, not King Cold. But again this is all speculation on who is stronger. If you follow the databooks then Cold is stronger but if you go by your own assumptions and word play in the manga/anime then Cold is stronger. I'm on the side of Cold being stronger though.
But, in this particular instance the guide books do hold quite a bit of weight as they do not contradict anything, they only serve to confirm what is already a face in the manga. He simply learned to do so from watching others do so. Kinda like Son Goku did. He clearly did know how to control his Ki, when he lowered his power to just enough to kick Vegeta's butt without crushing him in a single hit. This stuff is shown in the original manga alot. So Freeza becoming the magical exception to this rule has always been something that has bothered me. But, Freeza clearing did show the ability to suppress his strength. Kinda like when he kicked the shit out of Vegeta, and when he lowered his power-level to kick the shit out of Piccolo. No, he can suppress his power. This is something that has been shown repeatedly. King Cold in the original manga was only ever refereed to as Freeza's father. And even then, why the fuck does having king in your title automatically make you stronger than everyone else? King Vegeta was weaker than his son Prince Vegeta yet I see no one making a fuss over that. Maybe, Freeza let his father live because he did not hate his father, maybe he actually trusted his father, maybe he let his father keep the word king to spite him. Heck, King Cold being stronger than Freeza makes even less sense as Freeza would train to get stronger. Are you really going to rely on a line with no exposition behind it? For all we know King Cold just spanked him as a baby. Because, Freeza is his son, and they have a father son relationship. And even if you go by the word play, and what was outright stated in the manga Freeza is still superior to his father. When did Frieza ever state or show he can suppress his power? When he was in his reduction stages he knew how to power up and down but not hid his power. You see when fighting Nail in his first form his maximum was 530,000 and he didn't suppress it to seem as if he was weaker than he appeared, he had it there for all to see. In his second form he didn't suppress it then either, he only constantly powered up, every time someone out matches his newest form he only powers up. I have never heard, seen, or have it mentioned that Frieza just "picked it up" while drifting into space half dead or as a cyborg. And I don't see Frieza having a father son relationship. Frieza is cold hearted tyrant, someone that would take out anyone that was in his way. Even if Frieza was stronger than Cold, I don't think he's that stronger than his father even after his cybernetics.
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Post by Griffith on Apr 27, 2017 23:27:08 GMT
<abbr class="o-timestamp time" data-timestamp="1493314789000" title="Apr 28, 2017 3:09:49 GMT 9.5">Apr 28, 2017 3:09:49 GMT 9.5</abbr> SSG Sunny said: When did Frieza ever state or show he can suppress his power? When he was in his reduction stages he knew how to power up and down but not hid his power. You see when fighting Nail in his first form his maximum was 530,000 and he didn't suppress it to seem as if he was weaker than he appeared, he had it there for all to see. In his second form he didn't suppress it then either, he only constantly powered up, every time someone out matches his newest form he only powers up. I have never heard, seen, or have it mentioned that Frieza just "picked it up" while drifting into space half dead or as a cyborg. And I don't see Frieza having a father son relationship. Frieza is cold hearted tyrant, someone that would take out anyone that was in his way. Even if Frieza was stronger than Cold, I don't think he's that stronger than his father even after his cybernetics. When he suppressed his power to the point were he could smash Vegeta without killing him in a single hit, when he beat the crap out of Piccolo without killing him in a single hit, when he was Mecha Freeza he was suppressed. Freeza has consistently and constantly shown that he is in fact capable of powering down and suppressing his power. Because, Freeza was capable of suppressing his strength before hand. Heck even Mecha Freeza suppressed his strength as he was no longer in his 100% state. Well, he does then. Heck, King Cold being stronger than Freeza also destroys the whole strongest in the universe belief Freeza had. Freeza has to be stronger than his father, what was stated in the guide books, what his belief is, what was implied and stated in the manga itself all shows Freeza >King Cold.
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Post by Xeno Black on Apr 27, 2017 23:28:39 GMT
It doesn't matter since both get brutally murdered by Trunks in the end.
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