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Post by Conqueror Geng on May 15, 2020 4:12:05 GMT
Nothing is clear yet, but everything indicates Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and all of those are fully incorporated into him now. As if they're completely fused. It's not specified how long this takes but I believe it's as long as Buu can make their experience his own, so to speak. At the beggining he tried to fight off the influence of the Z warriors but now he's fully embracing it. Really? Never thought of it that way. But does that mean Kid Buu was smart enough to resist South Kai’s influence? He acted like a crazed brute even though South Kai (his only absorption at the time) was highly educated. It may have been too fast for it to happen. But when South Kai was inside his innards he could not find anything, nor himself nor fat kai. Fat Buu clearly was not resisting the influence since his self awareness was pretty low. I also don't think Kid Buu was actively resisting anything. With Super Buu it was different, since he won, he had a lot of spare time to notice their influence.
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Post by dbmaccount on May 16, 2020 15:30:04 GMT
When Toriyama was writing Buu, he didn't really put in hard and set rules. If you read the manga it doesn't even seem like Buu has any personality traits of who he absorbed. Over time, fans (and other media like the anime, games, etc) preferred that interpretation...probably because Buu has very little personality overall. Super Buu isn't that different from Buutenks or Buuhan, really. Angry and wants to blow up stuff for fun.
You can see this as Toriyama seemed to be making up Buu's rules and contradicting them all the time, i.e. eating people kills them, except when Grey Buu does it, and Grey Buu doesn't match Kid Buu's birth, etc.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on May 16, 2020 19:01:25 GMT
When Toriyama was writing Buu, he didn't really put in hard and set rules. If you read the manga it doesn't even seem like Buu has any personality traits of who he absorbed. Over time, fans (and other media like the anime, games, etc) preferred that interpretation...probably because Buu has very little personality overall. Super Buu isn't that different from Buutenks or Buuhan, really. Angry and wants to blow up stuff for fun. You can see this as Toriyama seemed to be making up Buu's rules and contradicting them all the time, i.e. eating people kills them, except when Grey Buu does it, and Grey Buu doesn't match Kid Buu's birth, etc. Yeah, I agree with this take too. However this interpretation also doesn't directly contradict anything in the manga. English dubs (and others) made Super Buu's eloquence and vocabulary greatly increase once he absorbed Piccolo. I think Buu also mentioned he absorbed Piccolo so he didn't become entirely incompetent like Gotenks', and this happened in manga too I think. Piccolo would not represent a high power increase to justify his absorption otherwise. There's also the hint that Grand Kai's good nature helped temper the violent behavior of Buff Kid Buu. Whether it's absorbing personality traits or just increasing his IQ (it was the case of Buutenks but not the Fat Majin Buu we first saw) was not very clear.
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Post by VoidSlayer on May 17, 2020 8:14:21 GMT
I want to make a simple one-
Bra wins.
I also wish to predict that this will be the last chapter with fighting in it, and the next chapter will deal with the ramifications of Bra's victory and what Buu does next.
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Post by Blaze on May 17, 2020 10:05:08 GMT
I'm going to (continue to) predict that Bra loses. And possibly thanks to a last minute save by Dai Kaioshin. That Buu will kill Babidi as Bra is dying, and she'll break down from the guilt.
Reckon Vegetto and Buu will force the tournament to continue (with some extra matches planned for Vegetto). A lot of people in the audience will leave (maybe all), and some more universes will leave as well. Certainly Universe 11, with Babidi staying dead.
If the tournament doesn't continue, Xxi would probs freak the fuck out.
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Post by dbmaccount on May 20, 2020 22:00:23 GMT
Zen Buu is going to teleport everyone back JUST at the moment Gohan kills Bra...
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Post by squirz96 on Jan 25, 2021 8:16:23 GMT
Here is prediction. 1st, Vegetto is not going to implode before 4th round. He would most likely implode after Buu vs XXI fight. He dislikes magic, altrough Gohan's powers comes from magic and he himself is magical being. Bra is going to be the one that defeats him. This is what plot has been teasing. Whatever it would be real Vegetto or XXI who stolen his body(*cough cough. Bad plot device after Ginyu) Bra is going to defeat him. Most likely by others giving their energy to her or other plot device. Oh and I have little no doubt that in a middle of that fight there would be some kind nonsencial implications that Goku and Vegeta live through Bra and she is spirtual successor or some kind of nonsense like that.
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Post by supergojita3 on Feb 14, 2021 22:20:36 GMT
I predict brolly wins from lack of fusion and support, or the fusion fizzles out from ssj3.
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Post by godjacob on May 1, 2021 18:28:38 GMT
Gast vs. Bra will end up being a damage control match with Gast winning to try and push back the Mary Sue allegations the ending to the Majin Rebellion Arc caused.
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Post by supergojita3 on May 2, 2021 2:33:26 GMT
When Toriyama was writing Buu, he didn't really put in hard and set rules. If you read the manga it doesn't even seem like Buu has any personality traits of who he absorbed. Over time, fans (and other media like the anime, games, etc) preferred that interpretation...probably because Buu has very little personality overall. Super Buu isn't that different from Buutenks or Buuhan, really. Angry and wants to blow up stuff for fun. You can see this as Toriyama seemed to be making up Buu's rules and contradicting them all the time, i.e. eating people kills them, except when Grey Buu does it, and Grey Buu doesn't match Kid Buu's birth, etc. well, he did have good buus love of satan, but that was reduced while still being present. I think that might be what he is basing zenbuus absorbtion personality on. though this effect is still less than the fat buus influence.
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Post by Dismaned on May 16, 2021 17:55:54 GMT
Gast vs. Bra will end up being a damage control match with Gast winning to try and push back the Mary Sue allegations the ending to the Majin Rebellion Arc caused. speaking of that upcoming fight gast won't just stomp bra but probably have a talk with his opponent. maybe talk about the future and what he thinks is the best path for them. Like how he did with King piccolo or Rachi.
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Post by Happi on Jun 3, 2021 4:23:42 GMT
I don't believe my list will be accurate but I think it's good enough to get a pass.
Round 4 Goku vs Uub: Uub. Not simply do to magic but I think Goku would forfeit because he wants Uub to show his abilities in this tournament. Goku is keen on passing the torch to Uub to be the new hero of Earth, so beating him up to hinder his experiences wouldn't really be beneficial. Vegeta vs Cell: Cell. Vegeta pretty much doesn't want to advance to fight Uub because he's weak but he sees Cell as a good challenge. The two duke it out and Vegeta is getting pummeled up until he shows his true power, which turns the tides in the prince's favor. However, Vegeta would forfeit as he doesn't intend to proceed any further but also would love to see the look on Cell's face that he only won by a technicality of his opponent's free will. Priceless. XXI vs Buu: Buu. Say what you will but he's the only opponent so far XXI will face that has magic. Broken magic. Bra vs Gast: Bra. I don't think a fight will break out at the start. It'll have a serene tone like all of Gast's fights and the way A16 did his, although Bra waves this off as a way to get into her head and pounces on the bean stalk. Gast continues to talk in between his heavy breathes before using the technique he did on Vegito to get her down on the ground, crushed under 10,000G, which he uses her situation as an example as to how she feels helpless and the world is against here. The countdown gets closer and closer to 30. Bra sobbing as Gast continues to talk to her, such as how Pan sees her as a monster as he overheard it. Finally releasing the teenager as he forfeits the match, willing to provide Bra some assistance before the next match begins.
Round 5 Uub vs Cell: Uub. Cell gets overconfident in this joke fight that he spawns some Cell Jrs. to atleast make this somewhat even. Uub shows to be on the back foot do to how strong that 100,000 gravity is and is beaten and bashed to the near extreme. One or two ways this can end: Uub forfeits and the mindless Cell jrs hit him afterward and cause Cell to lose, or Uub manages to fire a stray candy (fruit?) beam that Cell thinks he can tank because... he's Cell. Uub doesn't feel very good about the win but Vegeta congratulates on his amazing efforts.
Buu vs Bra: Bra. I think Gast would teach her some good techniques to beat Buu but she'll go old school. Showing off a bit that she can kill Buu with the technique that Vegito and her know but wants to make it memorable. Duke it out for a bit and Bra's techniques and magic win her the match against a cocky Buu. Buu gets salty and decides to give Uub some pointers to his magic and even gives him a boost of power by unlocking his potential just to get back at Bra.
Round 6 Uub vs Bra: Uub. Bra understands that their is much more than to just being stronger and winning. She regrets all her decisions in her life and fights Uub with all she got. The fight is pretty damn close as Bra has to dodge insta-K.O magic attacks and Uub is panting as he has to use a very high level of kaioken (much higher than what he used for Majin Buu and for the Cell Jrs) to keep up with the daughter of Vegito, however, Bra finally gets beaten and the tournament ends.
Uub's wish is to remove all traces of carbonite in U19 and everyone bids farewell to one another, finally putting a close to Dragon Ball Multiverse.
Underdog Uub ftw!
Although if being realistic here, it wouldn't be well deserving for Uub to win by 4 techancalities in a row to reach the finals but I'm going for the long shot at this. It'd mosf likely be Vegeta vs Uub and then Vegeta vs Bra instead, the winner ending up being Vegeta.
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Post by Dismaned on Jun 7, 2021 0:45:15 GMT
I don't believe my list will be accurate but I think it's good enough to get a pass. Round 4 Goku vs Uub: Uub. Not simply do to magic but I think Goku would forfeit because he wants Uub to show his abilities in this tournament. Goku is keen on passing the torch to Uub to be the new hero of Earth, so beating him up to hinder his experiences wouldn't really be beneficial. Vegeta vs Cell: Cell. Vegeta pretty much doesn't want to advance to fight Uub because he's weak but he sees Cell as a good challenge. The two duke it out and Vegeta is getting pummeled up until he shows his true power, which turns the tides in the prince's favor. However, Vegeta would forfeit as he doesn't intend to proceed any further but also would love to see the look on Cell's face that he only won by a technicality of his opponent's free will. Priceless. XXI vs Buu: Buu. Say what you will but he's the only opponent so far XXI will face that has magic. Broken magic. Bra vs Gast: Bra. I don't think a fight will break out at the start. It'll have a serene tone like all of Gast's fights and the way A16 did his, although Bra waves this off as a way to get into her head and pounces on the bean stalk. Gast continues to talk in between his heavy breathes before using the technique he did on Vegito to get her down on the ground, crushed under 10,000G, which he uses her situation as an example as to how she feels helpless and the world is against here. The countdown gets closer and closer to 30. Bra sobbing as Gast continues to talk to her, such as how Pan sees her as a monster as he overheard it. Finally releasing the teenager as he forfeits the match, willing to provide Bra some assistance before the next match begins. Round 5 Uub vs Cell: Uub. Cell gets overconfident in this joke fight that he spawns some Cell Jrs. to atleast make this somewhat even. Uub shows to be on the back foot do to how strong that 100,000 gravity is and is beaten and bashed to the near extreme. One or two ways this can end: Uub forfeits and the mindless Cell jrs hit him afterward and cause Cell to lose, or Uub manages to fire a stray candy (fruit?) beam that Cell thinks he can tank because... he's Cell. Uub doesn't feel very good about the win but Vegeta congratulates on his amazing efforts. Buu vs Bra: Bra. I think Gast would teach her some good techniques to beat Buu but she'll go old school. Showing off a bit that she can kill Buu with the technique that Vegito and her know but wants to make it memorable. Duke it out for a bit and Bra's techniques and magic win her the match against a cocky Buu. Buu gets salty and decides to give Uub some pointers to his magic and even gives him a boost of power by unlocking his potential just to get back at Bra. Round 6 Uub vs Bra: Uub. Bra understands that their is much more than to just being stronger and winning. She regrets all her decisions in her life and fights Uub with all she got. The fight is pretty damn close as Bra has to dodge insta-K.O magic attacks and Uub is panting as he has to use a very high level of kaioken (much higher than what he used for Majin Buu and for the Cell Jrs) to keep up with the daughter of Vegito, however, Bra finally gets beaten and the tournament ends. Uub's wish is to remove all traces of carbonite in U19 and everyone bids farewell to one another, finally putting a close to Dragon Ball Multiverse. Underdog Uub ftw! Although if being realistic here, it wouldn't be well deserving for Uub to win by 4 techancalities in a row to reach the finals but I'm going for the long shot at this. It'd mosf likely be Vegeta vs Uub and then Vegeta vs Bra instead, the winner ending up being Vegeta. Uub's wish Everyone become BLACKI really like the Vegeta vs cell one with Vegeta Blue Balling cell with his hidden power. I still think Cell would win because Plot and the fact that cell has more room for character development then Vegeta in the story. XXI vs Buu? hmm Buu can grant wishes with a snap of the fingers i wonder if he can just ask for all of XXI's Magic techniques or put XXI in a spirt time room. ethier way. Buu's goal in the fight will be to unmask XXI with the help of the Sumpreme Grand Kai. this fight may be just Buu countering or dodgeing XXI to learn more about him. Gast vs Bra? yeah With the knowledge of Guru and most elder namekians and the simple fact of traveling the universe for over 30 years since his birth on namek. Gast might give up. the fights won't be like his other fights but he will be kind and have a warm heart and try to talk with Bra about there problems. Goku vs Uub yeah i agree with that its been 20 years after Buu and although goku would like a fight. he's not getting any younger its best he lets Uub get the experience
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Post by Jason9000 on Jun 8, 2021 2:11:04 GMT
To be honest I cannot remember if I ever made a post in this thread. But here goes:
For round 4 of Gast vs Bra. I predict that Gast is going to pull a Frieza from round three. He will notice that Bra is still wrecked emotionally from the Majin Rebellion and everyone watching her makes her more erratic. So he offers to take them into her mind away from everything so Bra can vent and he offers his thoughts/wisdom without any outside stimuli.
After that I can see her clearing her own head and requesting to fight outside in the real world. (Almost no time passed like in Goku and Frieza’s fight.) Or she gives up and requests that if Gast wins he uses a second wish to help Universe 19 with Gast accepting her request.
Or I could be dead wrong and round three just cancels the tournament.
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Post by godjacob on Jun 8, 2021 17:56:26 GMT
Alright I'll make what seems to be a "bold" prediction here, I don't see Goku giving up. I think regardless of who wins between Goku and Uub that as his teacher Goku will give Uub his respect and everything he has, and Uub will prove one way or another how far he has come in response.
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Post by supergojita3 on Jun 8, 2021 18:52:16 GMT
I think goku will lose legit and give up, like he did with cell.
then, vegeta will give it his all and go ssj3 citing he will not lose to cell and that he will not spoil his ultimate power against a puny bug man his posse already beat.
vegeta jobs out not knowing cell can protect his core from wide attacks, and cell regenerates. vegeta surprises everyone and also gives up, citing he wants to see the next round when uub destroys him.
buu beats xxi, but at some cost. he absorbs the puppet, and changes into an old man buu. for some reason this is what xxi wanted. a puppet buu and for some reason this allows him to control zenbuu, and the demon now commands buu.
gast beats bra. vegetto rampages.
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Post by canraid on Jun 10, 2021 9:48:40 GMT
My prediction for the Bra vs Gast fight, is that Gast forfeits thus letting Bra win. Which in some form is supposed to teach her a lesson in humility, or a chance to fulfill her promise to the Ultras by herself.
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Post by supergojita3 on Jun 10, 2021 15:50:09 GMT
My prediction for the Bra vs Gast fight, is that Gast forfeits thus letting Bra win. Which in some form is supposed to teach her a lesson in humility, or a chance to fulfill her promise to the Ultras by herself. That might be later, if he can trust her. He needs his wish. humility can come after he get what he wants. I could see him doing it if he sees her crying like "I wanna be a ssj! I mean I wanna save u19! I wanna! i wanna!" and gast asks her what saving others means to her. it could be a whole thing. but could she even beat buu? she has that buu killer move, but aside from that, gast contained buu himself. unless its useless against xxi. If I were gast, I'd probably not surrender, and try to show her humility in other ways, unless the plot contrived itself so hard they needed girl wonder to do the trick.
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Post by Dismaned on Jun 11, 2021 21:47:40 GMT
Speaking of Predictions. I also agree that Vegito will rage out in the XXI vs Buu fight.
Vegito may hate Buu's Magic but will respect him for his Immense power. XXI is gonna be shown as a weak opponent and Beat Buu. Someone who By Vegito's own Principles is 100 times stronger than his enemy and yet still loses to Petty magic.
I also predict that Buu knows this (he can read minds) and knows that Vegito hates magic so Him showing how he's 100 times stronger and STILL losing? he'll piss Vegito off indirectly and get to watch as the whole tournament goes to shit. Well then or maybe in the semi Finals
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Post by supergojita3 on Jun 12, 2021 2:22:55 GMT
Speaking of Predictions. I also agree that Vegito will rage out in the XXI vs Buu fight. Vegito may hate Buu's Magic but will respect him for his Immense power. XXI is gonna be shown as a weak opponent and Beat Buu. Someone who By Vegito's own Principles is 100 times stronger than his enemy and yet still loses to Petty magic. I also predict that Buu knows this (he can read minds) and knows that Vegito hates magic so Him showing how he's 100 times stronger and STILL losing? he'll piss Vegito off indirectly and get to watch as the whole tournament goes to shit. Well then or maybe in the semi Finals 100x? lordy, he's like a billion times. But I get what you mean. by my own admission I'm being smug on the semantics. you're right on the topic my dawg.
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