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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Nov 2, 2017 22:21:59 GMT
Solus brought up a good point... what even was the point of discussing Videl's strength anyway, she didn't play any contribution to the rest of Z except crying for her "He's a boy and he's my friend but he's not my boyfriend"'s apparent death and the Spirit Bomb. Her fight with Majin Spopovich was just something for the audience to witness "even a slightly trainied-in-Ki energy Human being is no matched for this new form of magic, and something is very wrong with how this opponent could survive for so long." Let me guess Kor, it's because the Majin Spell could bump the user up more than a single tier, that was the original question right? Here's my question, what are your tiers for fighters lower than basic Super Saiyan? That might be able to give us more hints as to what your possible idea is shooting at. Ex) Farmer, Human no Ki energy like Mr Satan, Human with Ki abilities (Roshi, very straining on him for 50 years), then ones like Saiyan Saga Krillin or Tien or Yamcha, and lastly ones with a small Kaioken levels... like U9 Videl.
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Post by Axalon on Nov 2, 2017 22:35:16 GMT
Axalon the only feat I can recall is the one where Satan punched a hole through a bus on TV when he was first introduced. Also where he pulls 3 entire buses with brute strength alone. Both of those feats don't harm him in the slightest and when he punched through the bus it clearly shredded outward (somehow; shouldn't it have shredded inwards) and didn't damage him in the slightest. This I would say at least puts him around Ranfan's level of power at the bare minimum as she was capable of using friction to superheat her fist (no Ki manipulation used whatsoever), which I'd imagine is a comparable feat to punching a whole thru a steel bus and not being injured by it. So if he's around her PL of 80 and Gohan clearly remarks that Videl has far surpassed her father and how she manages to successfully play super hero and not get killed by people with machine guns, I'd say it wouldn't be too far a stretch to say that she's about 3x stronger than her father, which would put her around King Piccolo's PL. AHHHH. I see now. This is where it all makes sense. The pieces have clicked into place. The planets have aligned. For you see...this is literally one of those DBZ anime vs manga conversations all over again, very similar to the one discussion that was had about how strong the forms of Buu were in the anime and how it was all over the place and how Goku's strength arbitrarily changed for no reason multiple times. Now let me explain why using these feats makes no sense. *dons Councilor Nappa hat*  The scene in question in this scene. Where Satan pulls not one, not two, not three, but FOUR tour buses. A quick Google search lists the average empty tour bus weight as anywhere between 20,000-33,000 pounds. Translated to tons, this means he's pulling anywhere from 40 tons minimum to 66 tons maximum. After the Cell Games we see Goku training in the afterlife, and he's training with 2 ton weights on each limb for a total of 8 tons. King Kai suggests, to show off to South Kai, that he increase the weight by 8 tons each to 32 tons for a total of 40 tons. At any rate, Goku immediately balks at the idea of 40 tons, saying there's no way he can do it and he won't be able to move until KK tells him he can just go SS1, to which Goku is perfectly fine with. To reiterate. Base Goku balked at the idea of 40 tons which Satan pulled into a stadium to show off. Potentially 26 more tons than Goku was willing to deal with. You could try going into details about where the weight was distributed but ultimately Planet-Destroying Goku thought 40 tons was overkill and impossible without going SS1. In the manga, Satan doesn't pull ANY buses. Or punch them. Or even rip phonebooks in half. He has a press announcement that he's going to defeat Cell, and the next we see of him he's destroying tiles in the ring. This is why I've been arguing he's not impressive at all. All those feats you mentioned for Satan earlier? Anime filler. Satan's only feat is to destroy 14 out of 15 tiles in the Cell Games ring while hurting his hand in the process. Later in the Buu Saga he beats up an ordinary human. EVEN THEN the anime boosts him up to where he's moving too fast for the guy to see him as opposed to the manga just having him beat the crap out of the guy.  This is why he's completely unimpressive. To say Videl is 3x stronger means she can destroy a whopping 42 tiles at once and stops at 43. King Piccolo was truly a formidable foe if 42 tiles at once was his maximum effort. If we use the anime's inflated feats 3x stronger than Satan means she can pull anywhere from 120 tons to 198 tons, which is far beyond what post-Cell Saga Goku, far beyond King Piccolo, was willing to go without going SS1. |
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Nov 2, 2017 22:40:13 GMT
Axalon the only feat I can recall is the one where Satan punched a hole through a bus on TV when he was first introduced. Also where he pulls 3 entire buses with brute strength alone. Both of those feats don't harm him in the slightest and when he punched through the bus it clearly shredded outward (somehow; shouldn't it have shredded inwards) and didn't damage him in the slightest. This I would say at least puts him around Ranfan's level of power at the bare minimum as she was capable of using friction to superheat her fist (no Ki manipulation used whatsoever), which I'd imagine is a comparable feat to punching a whole thru a steel bus and not being injured by it. So if he's around her PL of 80 and Gohan clearly remarks that Videl has far surpassed her father and how she manages to successfully play super hero and not get killed by people with machine guns, I'd say it wouldn't be too far a stretch to say that she's about 3x stronger than her father, which would put her around King Piccolo's PL. A quick Google search lists the average empty tour bus weight as anywhere between 20,000-33,000 pounds. Translated to tons, this means he's pulling anywhere from 40 tons minimum to 66 tons maximum. After the Cell Games we see Goku training in the afterlife, and he's training with 2 ton weights on each limb for a total of 8 tons. King Kai suggests, to show off to South Kai, that he increase the weight by 8 tons each to 32 tons for a total of 40 tons. Not to mention that's assuming he was actually pulling real tour buses, pretty sure it could've been a publicity stunt to raise moral (even in filler) so that their "mighty hero" can stop the invader Cell. For a guy who brags about opponents using smoke and mirrors, what's stopping us from thinking he himself did one or two tricks himself prior to meeting the Z fighters just to boost the fame? Edit: God Damn I can't English today. Starting to wonder if I've become one with the Saiyan my avatar is depicting. |
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Post by Axalon on Nov 2, 2017 22:44:42 GMT
A quick Google search lists the average empty tour bus weight as anywhere between 20,000-33,000 pounds. Translated to tons, this means he's pulling anywhere from 40 tons minimum to 66 tons maximum. After the Cell Games we see Goku training in the afterlife, and he's training with 2 ton weights on each limb for a total of 8 tons. King Kai suggests, to show off to South Kai, that he increase the weight by 8 tons each to 32 tons for a total of 40 tons. Not to mention that's assuming he was actually pulling real tour buses, pretty sure it could've been a publicity stunt to raise moral (even in filler) so that their "mighty hero" can stop the invader Cell. For a guy who brags about opponents using smoke and mirrors, what's stopping us from thinking he himself did one or two tricks himself prior to meeting the Z fighters just to boost the fame? Absolutely nothing is preventing this. Satan's entire career from the Cell Games onward is smoke and mirrors.  The only world where this makes sense is an alternate world I wish DBM had invoked where Satan was literally the strongest in the universe. Like a Chuck Norris of DBZ. |
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Nov 2, 2017 22:51:34 GMT
Axalon, Solus, The Retro Kakarotto fine maybe she isn't 3x as strong as her father. I kinda just pulled that outta my ass I'll admit. Maybe a part of me still hates Hercule Satan for stealing my boi Gohan's accomplishment of defeating Cell from him and so I wanted to believe that she was ridiculously stronger than her father because she's a badass for a normal human and my boi Gohan's wife. As for the buses thing, I figured it was filler, but I didn't feel like checking either since I didn't think it really mattered in the long run. Yeah and I guess that it's likely that most of Videl the crime fighter scenes were filler too, right? Anyways I still think she's stronger than her father unless Gohan's comment about her being stronger even before the Ki training was also filler. And while it's true that the buses feat was filler and weighed more than Goku felt comfortable moving around with on his body unless he went SSJ, wearing 40 tons and moving around without difficulty is different than pulling 66 tons a few feet. I still think Satan is at least around Ranfan's level even if all the evidence I have to try to prove it is non-canon content, because as normal humans that can't manipulate Ki at all go he is a pretty strong and talented fighter. So maybe Videl is only a little bit stronger than her father, so that at least puts her around Nam's PL of 100 if her father is at least around a PL of 80.
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Nov 2, 2017 22:56:56 GMT
The only world where this makes sense is an alternate world I wish DBM had invoked where Satan was literally the strongest in the universe. Like a Chuck Norris of DBZ. I could only see him being that powerful with a wish from Super Shenron or a wish on a normal set of Dragon Balls that would allow him to always be able to surpass his limits with very minimal training required and then eventually becoming a GoD. Now it would be interesting to see Hercule Satan be a true badass in U9 who had actually received Ki training under Master Krillin and was the one who taught U9 Videl to fight on such levels. Maybe if he was like this in U9, the only reason he stayed behind is because they needed someone to hold the fort and he was the one who picked the short straw or volunteered to do so. |
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Nov 2, 2017 23:09:29 GMT
Axalon
I always thought that scene was letting the audience see what goes on in his head when he fights, being more impressive than he actually is. Part of why is because the guy is able to still shoot him dead on in the chest despite him "moving" so fast. You guys ever think that or was I just overthinking it?
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Post by Axalon on Nov 2, 2017 23:11:37 GMT
Axalon
I always thought that scene was letting the audience see what goes on in his head when he fights, being more impressive than he actually is. Part of why is because the guy is able to still shoot him dead on in the chest despite him "moving" so fast. You guys ever think that or was I just overthinking it?
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Post by Axalon on Nov 2, 2017 23:18:06 GMT
I still think Satan is at least around Ranfan's level even if all the evidence I have to try to prove it is non-canon content, because as normal humans that can't manipulate Ki at all go he is a pretty strong and talented fighter. So maybe Videl is only a little bit stronger than her father, so that at least puts her around Nam's PL of 100 if her father is at least around a PL of 80. Ranfan is the only comparable human fighter, really. Even then she only gets successful hits on Nam because of her "assets" since this was back during DB's gag manga days. Had Ranfan been a guy I feel the match would've been over immediately. Ultimately it's hard to place her and Satan to everyone else. I still wouldn't put Videl at Nam though. Nam was blocking and dodging attacks from Roshi-trained Kid Goku, even actually injuring him from time to time. |
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Nov 3, 2017 0:21:55 GMT
I still think Satan is at least around Ranfan's level even if all the evidence I have to try to prove it is non-canon content, because as normal humans that can't manipulate Ki at all go he is a pretty strong and talented fighter. So maybe Videl is only a little bit stronger than her father, so that at least puts her around Nam's PL of 100 if her father is at least around a PL of 80. Ranfan is the only comparable human fighter, really. Even then she only gets successful hits on Nam because of her "assets" since this was back during DB's gag manga days. Had Ranfan been a guy I feel the match would've been over immediately. Ultimately it's hard to place her and Satan to everyone else. I still wouldn't put Videl at Nam though. Nam was blocking and dodging attacks from Roshi-trained Kid Goku, even actually injuring him from time to time. Remember I'm talking PL only, not ability to manipulate Ki effectively to use your Ki pool efficiently. I already know she doesn't know how to manipulate Ki as effectively as Nam could. |
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Post by Son Pan on Nov 3, 2017 0:24:48 GMT
Axalon
I always thought that scene was letting the audience see what goes on in his head when he fights, being more impressive than he actually is. Part of why is because the guy is able to still shoot him dead on in the chest despite him "moving" so fast. You guys ever think that or was I just overthinking it?
I think if you want consistency Dragon Ball is the wrong series for you. Reading these few posts just made me realize how little we actually know about how people actually develop ki and learn to use it. All Roshi did with Goku and Krillin was extreme weight and endurance training and they became super human. He never had a lesson on how to use ki, but we know their super human feats can only be possible because of ki. Fighters of Hercule and Videl’s heydays do their own hard training yet can’t unlock ki. Goku being bullet proof all the way back to early DB, yet later in Z days he needs to use ki to harden his finger to be immune to a regular sword. Yet a bullets before that travel at faster speeds and can pierce the skin easier than a blade can’t harm them. Hercule and Videl not knowing about or come close to it when it seemed even scrub fighters in Goku and Krillin’s youth had some idea of what it was. |
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Nov 3, 2017 0:34:10 GMT
Son Pan I think that King Piccolo had a lot to do with people forgetting about Ki. Even though all the people that King Piccolo and his demon minions killed were revived by Shenron, I think the feats of beings like King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr after him made people fear Ki manipulation and want to forget about all the terrible things evil people did with their Ki. This lead to it becoming something that most people who knew about it ended up choosing to forget about. Vegeta, Nappa, the Androids, and even Cell probably had another big part of this especially when you have a famous supposed world saving hero like Mr. Satan trying to ease their minds and protect his fame by claiming it was all smoke and mirrors. I think it's just one of those instances of not wanting to understand what you fear, coming to hate it, and if it's fearsome enough you try to pretend it doesn't exist for your sanity and the sake of appearing to be unafraid of something you and the majority of society refuses to believe exists.
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Post by Axalon on Nov 3, 2017 1:00:47 GMT
Ranfan is the only comparable human fighter, really. Even then she only gets successful hits on Nam because of her "assets" since this was back during DB's gag manga days. Had Ranfan been a guy I feel the match would've been over immediately. Ultimately it's hard to place her and Satan to everyone else. I still wouldn't put Videl at Nam though. Nam was blocking and dodging attacks from Roshi-trained Kid Goku, even actually injuring him from time to time. Remember I'm talking PL only, not ability to manipulate Ki effectively to use your Ki pool efficiently. I already know she doesn't know how to manipulate Ki as effectively as Nam could. Then this is all baseless discussion. Nothing indicates Videl has a PL half as good as Nam, just as nothing shows she has a PL equivalent to King Piccolo or that she's exactly 3x stronger than Satan or that she's actually on par with Broly but just can't manipulate ki worth a damn. She can fly and is stronger than a guy who can destroy 14 out of 15 tiles while hurting his hand in the process. Truly great accomplishments in the DB world. You're trying to attach a PL to someone in an age where PLs long since became obsolete and worthless in judging fighters while comparing them to fighters from an age before PLs became a thing and were used to judge fighters. Assigning arbitrary numbers to Videl without any feats to back it up mean nothing. The feats, or lack thereof, speak volumes about her ability as a fighter. Solus brought up a good point... what even was the point of discussing Videl's strength anyway, she didn't play any contribution to the rest of Z except crying for her "He's a boy and he's my friend but he's not my boyfriend"'s apparent death and the Spirit Bomb. Her fight with Majin Spopovich was just something for the audience to witness "even a slightly trainied-in-Ki energy Human being is no matched for this new form of magic, and something is very wrong with how this opponent could survive for so long." Let me guess Kor, it's because the Majin Spell could bump the user up more than a single tier, that was the original question right? Here's my question, what are your tiers for fighters lower than basic Super Saiyan? That might be able to give us more hints as to what your possible idea is shooting at. Ex) Farmer, Human no Ki energy like Mr Satan, Human with Ki abilities (Roshi, very straining on him for 50 years), then ones like Saiyan Saga Krillin or Tien or Yamcha, and lastly ones with a small Kaioken levels... like U9 Videl. This was indeed the original question. Originally it was more aligned to Spopovich than Videl but things somehow spiraled down to Videl being equal to King Piccolo and here we are now. I said that maybe Piccolo vs Majin Frieza would show that Majinization could boost you up more than one tier, since if all it did was push Frieza into the next tier then Piccolo should still roflstomp. Granted this wasn't talking about Piccolo vs a group of people like Frieza/Cooler/Ginyu combined, just Frieza himself. |
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Nov 3, 2017 1:13:07 GMT
Solus brought up a good point... what even was the point of discussing Videl's strength anyway, she didn't play any contribution to the rest of Z except crying for her "He's a boy and he's my friend but he's not my boyfriend"'s apparent death and the Spirit Bomb. Her fight with Majin Spopovich was just something for the audience to witness "even a slightly trainied-in-Ki energy Human being is no matched for this new form of magic, and something is very wrong with how this opponent could survive for so long." Let me guess Kor, it's because the Majin Spell could bump the user up more than a single tier, that was the original question right? Here's my question, what are your tiers for fighters lower than basic Super Saiyan? That might be able to give us more hints as to what your possible idea is shooting at. Ex) Farmer, Human no Ki energy like Mr Satan, Human with Ki abilities (Roshi, very straining on him for 50 years), then ones like Saiyan Saga Krillin or Tien or Yamcha, and lastly ones with a small Kaioken levels... like U9 Videl. This was indeed the original question. Originally it was more aligned to Spopovich than Videl but things somehow spiraled down to Videl being equal to King Piccolo and here we are now. I said that maybe Piccolo vs Majin Frieza would show that Majinization could boost you up more than one tier, since if all it did was push Frieza into the next tier then Piccolo should still roflstomp. Granted this wasn't talking about Piccolo vs a group of people like Frieza/Cooler/Ginyu combined, just Frieza himself. My personal opinion (hopefully prediction that comes true) is that the Majin boost stays within Salagir's rules of "bumps 1 tier and unlocks the next tier(vegeta's SSJ2)" and that Piccolo will be fighting the entire Frieza force, so that the gangup is more of a challenge than simply Majin Frieza or any single one of them fighting Piccolo. But of course, we'll get our answers in the next few pages chapter after the special. Speaking of which, does anyone else think the two images shown were similar to the Cooler special and Bojack Mini comic, such as "In U4, 16, 17, 18, Trunks and Krillin were[...] Meanwhile, in U11 (example)" and proceeds to show that altered universe? |
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Post by Axalon on Nov 3, 2017 1:14:27 GMT
This was indeed the original question. Originally it was more aligned to Spopovich than Videl but things somehow spiraled down to Videl being equal to King Piccolo and here we are now. I said that maybe Piccolo vs Majin Frieza would show that Majinization could boost you up more than one tier, since if all it did was push Frieza into the next tier then Piccolo should still roflstomp. Granted this wasn't talking about Piccolo vs a group of people like Frieza/Cooler/Ginyu combined, just Frieza himself. My personal opinion (hopefully prediction that comes true) is that the Majin boost stays within Salagir's rules of "bumps 1 tier and unlocks the next tier(vegeta's SSJ2)" and that Piccolo will be fighting the entire Frieza force, so that the gangup is more of a challenge than simply Majin Frieza or any single one of them fighting Piccolo. But of course, we'll get our answers in the next few pages chapter after the special. Speaking of which, does anyone else think the two images shown were similar to the Cooler special and Bojack Mini comic, such as "In U4, 16, 17, 18, Trunks and Krillin were[...] Meanwhile, in U11 (example)" and proceeds to show that altered universe? If he's fighting the entire Frieza Force then Piccolo is doomed to fail. Coldyu is going to wreck him. Throwing Cooler and Frieza on top of it is overkill. |
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Post by Xeno Black on Nov 3, 2017 1:49:05 GMT
My personal opinion (hopefully prediction that comes true) is that the Majin boost stays within Salagir's rules of "bumps 1 tier and unlocks the next tier(vegeta's SSJ2)" and that Piccolo will be fighting the entire Frieza force, so that the gangup is more of a challenge than simply Majin Frieza or any single one of them fighting Piccolo. But of course, we'll get our answers in the next few pages chapter after the special. Speaking of which, does anyone else think the two images shown were similar to the Cooler special and Bojack Mini comic, such as "In U4, 16, 17, 18, Trunks and Krillin were[...] Meanwhile, in U11 (example)" and proceeds to show that altered universe? If he's fighting the entire Frieza Force then Piccolo is doomed to fail. Coldyu is going to wreck him. Throwing Cooler and Frieza on top of it is overkill. Heh, we all know it is not Piccolo going in to fight the Frieza force. It going to be our favorite green assassin, the last son of the namek race holding a grudge for over 30 years.  |
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Post by Ashanark on Nov 3, 2017 4:57:46 GMT
Well I think 3x is fair because I'm pretty sure that if she actually put her all into defeating him, he'd get humiliated in a fight with her even if he was going all out and wasn't holding back. Even without using her Ki manipulation, she'd still wreck him utterly in a physical fight. So if she'd wreck utterly in a physical fight, I think it'd be fair to say that's 3x stronger. If you tried to have her daddy fill in her crime fighting shoes, he'd try to scare the criminals with words and if that didn't work he'd piss his fucking pants if they tried to kill him with their machine guns. That is nonsense, since she is a human. There are no Saiyan genes that would justify a strength above average human capabilities. Without ki manipulation there is no way to become stronger than Mr. Satan. He isn't MA World Champion for nothing. He is a show-off but nevertheless the strongest human without ki manipulation. Videl might be more skilled than him (which I doubt) and thus be able to beat him in an all-out battle in the ring. But before Gohan showed her how to use ki she was nothing but a normal girl. No Martial Art could make her stronger than her father who has at least twenty years more of experience and many times more strength (as evident by his show during the Cell Games). While I agree Videl would be no match for Master Roshi in the original Dragon Ball, let alone anyone above him (Tao Pai Pai, Tien, King Piccolo), I will say she was stronger than Hercule before Gohan trained her, since Hercule stopped training with her years earlier when he realized she would beat him: She was also apparently using chi without even knowing it, since Gohan was able to sense her when she was fighting crime: Still, were she to go back to Dragon Ball and participate in that first World Tournament that Goku fought in, her only real advantage would be flight--everyone else would probably be stronger. By the way, rereading this part of the manga reminded me how mad I am at Toriyama for house-wifing yet another perfectly good female character. Not to mention that's assuming he was actually pulling real tour buses, pretty sure it could've been a publicity stunt to raise moral (even in filler) so that their "mighty hero" can stop the invader Cell. For a guy who brags about opponents using smoke and mirrors, what's stopping us from thinking he himself did one or two tricks himself prior to meeting the Z fighters just to boost the fame? The only world where this makes sense is an alternate world I wish DBM had invoked where Satan was literally the strongest in the universe. Like a Chuck Norris of DBZ. Yes. Yes yes YES. I am still waiting to see this made a minicomic. A Mr. Satan (probably from U2) who goes up against Vegito or U4 Buu in the first round and absolutely beats the snot out of them. Heck, I'll try drawing it some day. |
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Nov 3, 2017 5:34:42 GMT
The only world where this makes sense is an alternate world I wish DBM had invoked where Satan was literally the strongest in the universe. Like a Chuck Norris of DBZ. Yes. Yes yes YES. I am still waiting to see this made a minicomic. A Mr. Satan (probably from U2) who goes up against Vegito or U4 Buu in the first round and absolutely beats the snot out of them. Heck, I'll try drawing it some day. Satan: Heh, you don't look so tough, not without your glowy blond hair, your fast travellin wires, and your giant smoke and mirrors for that big beam of light you did against that burly guy- Vegito: *Broly* Satan: Broly guy. Anyway, I'm here to show you why, Mr. Satan, is THE best in all of the Universes. Vegito: Please, what could a mere human have done that the ultimate Fusion between two powerful Saiyans couldn't do? Satan: Raise a daughter who has manners.  Some say he traveled the Multiverse and fought a purple vampire God, but that's a tale for another day. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 16:05:23 GMT
Yes. Yes yes YES. I am still waiting to see this made a minicomic. A Mr. Satan (probably from U2) who goes up against Vegito or U4 Buu in the first round and absolutely beats the snot out of them. Heck, I'll try drawing it some day. Satan: Heh, you don't look so tough, not without your glowy blond hair, your fast travellin wires, and your giant smoke and mirrors for that big beam of light you did against that burly guy- Vegito: *Broly* Satan: Broly guy. Anyway, I'm here to show you why, Mr. Satan, is THE best in all of the Universes. Vegito: Please, what could a mere human have done that the ultimate Fusion between two powerful Saiyans couldn't do? Satan: Raise a daughter who has manners.
Some say he traveled the Multiverse and fought a purple vampire God, but that's a tale for another day. Bold: Jokes aside, why did people even start debating about Videl's power level when it's clearly evident that she would never even match the likes of Nam, let alone King Piccolo. |
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Nov 3, 2017 17:14:36 GMT
Satan: Heh, you don't look so tough, not without your glowy blond hair, your fast travellin wires, and your giant smoke and mirrors for that big beam of light you did against that burly guy- Vegito: *Broly* Satan: Broly guy. Anyway, I'm here to show you why, Mr. Satan, is THE best in all of the Universes. Vegito: Please, what could a mere human have done that the ultimate Fusion between two powerful Saiyans couldn't do? Satan: Raise a daughter who has manners.
Some say he traveled the Multiverse and fought a purple vampire God, but that's a tale for another day. Bold: Jokes aside, why did people even start debating about Videl's power level when it's clearly evident that she would never even match the likes of Nam, let alone King Piccolo. The original question was about whether Spopovich's Majin Boost could bump him up more than a single Tier. The weaker you are, the more of a boost you experience supposedly. Vegeta's boost was only "one tier" and so, the Frieza force mooks could've either been upped enough to pose a challenge to Piccolo and he fights all of them one on one rather than a simple brawl. Then the reason Spopovich's boost was defended to jump more than a single tier was because Videl was assumed to be "~2+ tiers higher than the average human" thanks to learning Ki flight. However, since Ki control didn't have a complete correlation to raw power, this assumption should've been proven false and case closed. But then there was a huge tangent and here we are now, overthinking the "Intro to a new Magical Threat" when it was clear that "a normal human shouldn't have done all those feats, something is wrong with him!" |
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