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Post by Son Pan on Feb 22, 2018 3:53:24 GMT
Does anyone kind of think the no weapons and outside healing items was pointless in the grand scheme of things? Zeno kept making exceptions based on finding things cool that it feels like there was no point to it at all. The gang having senzu beans could have been used to explain the fast recovery of stamina thing.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Feb 22, 2018 4:00:11 GMT
Does anyone kind of think the no weapons and outside healing items was pointless in the grand scheme of things? Zeno kept making exceptions based on finding things cool that it feels like there was no point to it at all. The gang having senzu beans could have been used to explain the fast recovery of stamina thing. Goku: Zen-Chan! If you let me and my U7 members eat our green beans, you'll have a much more interesting fight! Zeno: Hm... GP, make it so! GP: Universe 7 is allowed to use healing items. Sidra: Why didn't you bring the drug berries in case? U9 Supreme Kai: Because I thought Zeno was someone we shouldn't double cross! FUUU- Honestly surprised about that. The anime already went to the point of letting Roshi use the Mafuba, not sure why Toei didn't bother letting them use the beans instead of going "MAH STAMINA IS SUDDENLY BACK GUYZ, IMMA GO BLUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!" Shit man, sometimes I feel like the anime is just the guinea pig so that Toyotaro can go and fix whatever was "poorly received" in the anime and make it better in the manga. |
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Post by Son Pan on Feb 22, 2018 4:16:08 GMT
Does anyone kind of think the no weapons and outside healing items was pointless in the grand scheme of things? Zeno kept making exceptions based on finding things cool that it feels like there was no point to it at all. The gang having senzu beans could have been used to explain the fast recovery of stamina thing. Goku: Zen-Chan! If you let me and my U7 members eat our green beans, you'll have a much more interesting fight! Zeno: Hm... GP, make it so! GP: Universe 7 is allowed to use healing items. Sidra: Why didn't you bring the drug berries in case? U9 Supreme Kai: Because I thought Zeno was someone we shouldn't double cross! FUUU- Honestly surprised about that. The anime already went to the point of letting Roshi use the Mafuba, not sure why Toei didn't bother letting them use the beans instead of going "MAH STAMINA IS SUDDENLY BACK GUYZ, IMMA GO BLUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!" Shit man, sometimes I feel like the anime is just the guinea pig so that Toyotaro can go and fix whatever was "poorly received" in the anime and make it better in the manga. I wish Toyotaro and Toei would have just allowed use of weapons and items anyway. It is a tournament for survival and fighters in this tournament eventually used weapons or items too help them fight anyway and had to get Zeno thinks its cool to allow it. It felt like a rule they only kept because old school World Martial Arts Tournament didn't allow them to. I get it betrays the spirit of the tournament format, but I don't think the average DB fan would give a shit as long as they got awesome fights. Sometimes I think Toyotaro doesn't go far enough with his changes to improve the arcs significantly. Goku Black arc started off well in the manga, but it fell apart. The changes he made to the arc weren't as helpful as I wanted them to be. I was down he was the one who convinced Toriyama to bring back Vegetto, which led to the retcon that made the potara into a worse version of Fusion Dance. I'm not sure Toyotaro will have the universe fighters be any better than their anime counterparts. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 12:59:28 GMT
Sometimes I think Toyotaro doesn't go far enough with his changes to improve the arcs significantly. Goku Black arc started off well in the manga, but it fell apart. The changes he made to the arc weren't as helpful as I wanted them to be. I was down he was the one who convinced Toriyama to bring back Vegetto, which led to the retcon that made the potara into a worse version of Fusion Dance. I'm not sure Toyotaro will have the universe fighters be any better than their anime counterparts. I doubt Toyo is trying to fix what didn’t work in the anime. He’s most likely just doing his own thing. Also funny thing about the Potara retcon. It was always a thing that was going to be revealed, in series. It was just that Goku and Vegeta could of held him off long enough for the potara to wear off. Toyo was just the one who convinced Toriyama to put Vegito in the outline. |
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Post by iron leaf on Feb 22, 2018 14:24:52 GMT
I wish Toyotaro and Toei would have just allowed use of weapons and items anyway. It is a tournament for survival and fighters in this tournament eventually used weapons or items too help them fight anyway and had to get Zeno thinks its cool to allow it. It felt like a rule they only kept because old school World Martial Arts Tournament didn't allow them to. I get it betrays the spirit of the tournament format, but I don't think the average DB fan would give a shit as long as they got awesome fights. Sometimes I think Toyotaro doesn't go far enough with his changes to improve the arcs significantly. Goku Black arc started off well in the manga, but it fell apart. The changes he made to the arc weren't as helpful as I wanted them to be. I was down he was the one who convinced Toriyama to bring back Vegetto, which led to the retcon that made the potara into a worse version of Fusion Dance. I'm not sure Toyotaro will have the universe fighters be any better than their anime counterparts. I would say a "battle royale" already betrays the spirit of a tournament format. Who knows, maybe they originally didn't plan to end DBS with this arc. Somehow I see some similarities with the Piccolo Junior Arc from Dragonball. At first it was a normal tournament until Piccolo declared he would conquer the whole world after he beats Goku in the finals. Then in the finals it was actually a death battle, although the commentator was still doing his thing. Here at the ToP arc it could have been similar and much better if they used the same concept as in Dragonball. First, normal tournament that turns into a death battle with lethal strikes and erasure and whatnot. The writers themselves didn't realized that they stole all the tension from this arc when they declared the tournament of power having the consequences of universe erasure with the loss of the team. How do you want maintain the tension throughout the whole arc when they dropped it at the very beginning. (Just like the first GT arc, you almost forget in between the arc that the earth is gonna blow up if they don't hurry). |
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Post by Ashanark on Feb 22, 2018 19:50:17 GMT
I wish Toyotaro and Toei would have just allowed use of weapons and items anyway. It is a tournament for survival and fighters in this tournament eventually used weapons or items too help them fight anyway and had to get Zeno thinks its cool to allow it. It felt like a rule they only kept because old school World Martial Arts Tournament didn't allow them to. I get it betrays the spirit of the tournament format, but I don't think the average DB fan would give a shit as long as they got awesome fights. Sometimes I think Toyotaro doesn't go far enough with his changes to improve the arcs significantly. Goku Black arc started off well in the manga, but it fell apart. The changes he made to the arc weren't as helpful as I wanted them to be. I was down he was the one who convinced Toriyama to bring back Vegetto, which led to the retcon that made the potara into a worse version of Fusion Dance. I'm not sure Toyotaro will have the universe fighters be any better than their anime counterparts. Here at the ToP arc it could have been similar and much better if they used the same concept as in Dragonball. First, normal tournament that turns into a death battle with lethal strikes and erasure and whatnot. The writers themselves didn't realized that they stole all the tension from this arc when they declared the tournament of power having the consequences of universe erasure with the loss of the team. How do you want maintain the tension throughout the whole arc when they dropped it at the very beginning. (Just like the first GT arc, you almost forget in between the arc that the earth is gonna blow up if they don't hurry). This is why the ToP is so tragic in a meta sense. The premise was excellent: 10 of our favorite characters getting a chance to fight 70 other people, and all losing universes get erased? It's got a large cast and high stakes-- the highest stakes DBZ could ever have. It's the arc any DBZ fan would kill to have a chance to write. Making this arc should've been like shooting fish in a barrel: how could you possibly miss? Yet...Toeiyama did. Majorly. Bizarrely. What I was hoping for, and which I knew wouldn't happen because DBS is so light-hearted, was a sort of Hunger Games-style competition, where the fact people's lives are on the line is always present. Disregarding that, I at least hoped everyone present would actually act like real people, which meant "By beating opponents I am actively dooming trillions of lives to annihilation" or at minimum "holy crap, we're going to die, we really can't afford any mistakes here." Y'know, desperation. It nullifies the whole point of the universal erasure if nobody is serious! It reminds me of the "Order 66" scene in Revenge of the Sith. On the whole George Lucas fumbled all the most important moments of that film, but it's a tribute to the power of his ideas that even though we didn't know any of the Jedi getting killed (going solely off the films), even though it was contrived, it still had impact. I've seen plenty of forum members comment about various moments of the ToP being sad/heartwarming/cool/intense. Imagine what the ToP would've been like if: -- it WASN'T full of fake tension (Oh no! Goku's getting beaten up in base. He's totally going to get eliminated!) -- it WASN'T full of inexplicable stamina issues and PL inconsistencies--which are bad, not because they don't conform to any fan's particular list, but because they're a symptom of the writers just not caring-- it WASN'T the Goku show, but an actual team effort. Other people had their moments, but it's mainly been Goku, with a decent showing by Vegeta and a surprising all-star performance by 17. I'm pretty darn certain any DB fan, no matter their writing ability (and provided they didn't want to shill Vegeta too much), would've done a better job giving every team member a meaningful arc/moment than Toeiyama. -- it WASN'T contrived with Jiren just standing there FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON. (And by the way, his backstory is too little, too late. And it sucks.) -- it WASN'T featuring loads of undeveloped characters -- it WASN'T making a bunch of promises that it dumped for generic Goku vs. everyone action (remember when teamwork and skill was supposed to be a thing?) -- it WASN'T treating the story as if the audience was a bunch of goldfish. -- it WASN'T pulling out contrived transformation after contrived transformation that ended up not doing anything-- other universes actually fought each other!In other words, if it had actually been even halfway what it had promised it would be. I think the best word to define the ToP would be "arbitrary." Whatever happened just kinda happened, with no buildup, payoff, or resolution. This should've been an easy saga to write, people, yet throughout DBS's run it's like the developers got loads of ideas (many good, some bad) and consistently made the wrong decisions with them. Zamasu arc is poorly written, but I honestly didn't expect much out of an "Evil Goku" arc--how the crap do you make a premise that stupid into something good? The ToP, however, is just full of fail. And the "Dragon Ball Super is a kid's show, it's not supposed to have good writing" is a weak response. The Last Airbender was a kid's show, as was the 90's Batman, and both managed to have depth that teenagers and even adults could appreciate. |
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Post by Son Pan on Feb 22, 2018 21:01:02 GMT
At risk of getting chewed out one Evil Goku idea I liked was an old fan fiction where Goku hit his head again and it got his original Saiyan programming back on line and he started killing everyone on Earth and it led to the Z-fighters having to stop him. I think they tried peaceful approach once and it ended up with Goku killing by Krillin and Yamecha I think. The drama was seeing Goku husband/father/friend go so far off the deep end that he was killing his loved ones to the point some wanted bloody revenge only to be reminded it’s Goku. I think it ended with Vegeta and Gohan having to team up to beat Goku after Goku had killed Bulma and Goten. I remember that being an awesome story. That was an idea of Evil Goku done right by me.
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Post by iron leaf on Feb 22, 2018 21:36:07 GMT
At risk of getting chewed out one Evil Goku idea I liked was an old fan fiction where Goku hit his head again and it got his original Saiyan programming back on line and he started killing everyone on Earth and it led to the Z-fighters having to stop him. I think they tried peaceful approach once and it ended up with Goku killing by Krillin and Yamecha I think. The drama was seeing Goku husband/father/friend go so far off the deep end that he was killing his loved ones to the point some wanted bloody revenge only to be reminded it’s Goku. I think it ended with Vegeta and Gohan having to team up to beat Goku after Goku had killed Bulma and Goten. I remember that being an awesome story. That was an idea of Evil Goku done right by me. Do you still know the name of that fanfiction, maybe? Somehow, it reminds me of this. |
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Post by Son Pan on Feb 23, 2018 5:30:58 GMT
At risk of getting chewed out one Evil Goku idea I liked was an old fan fiction where Goku hit his head again and it got his original Saiyan programming back on line and he started killing everyone on Earth and it led to the Z-fighters having to stop him. I think they tried peaceful approach once and it ended up with Goku killing by Krillin and Yamecha I think. The drama was seeing Goku husband/father/friend go so far off the deep end that he was killing his loved ones to the point some wanted bloody revenge only to be reminded it’s Goku. I think it ended with Vegeta and Gohan having to team up to beat Goku after Goku had killed Bulma and Goten. I remember that being an awesome story. That was an idea of Evil Goku done right by me. Do you still know the name of that fanfiction, maybe? Somehow, it reminds me of this. No. I don't remember. I like the picture though. I'm sure there are a hundred like that one though. I think having the consequences mentioned at the beginning could have still had tension. The fault was the tournament didn't maintain it through having the characters not treat it like a life and death battle. Yu Yu Hakusho's Dark Tournament. We were told upfront what happens if the heroes lose or don't enter the tournament. The series did a good job balancing tones, so some fights had characters develop a friendly rivalry, while still keeping the matches tense. Yusuke vs. Jin had both characters develop a bond, but Yusuke still treated the fight seriously and understood what happened if he lost, so the tension was still there and with each failed attempt at beating Jin the tension kept building. Super could have done a good job at that had things played out differently.
Speaking of Dark Tournament I think it would have been better if Jiren was left as the surprise strongest member/wild card of U11 and Toppo was presented as the false strongest member. Jiren becomes the Chu to Toppo's Zeru. Jiren could be like Dabura. Anyone remember how Dabura had to meditate to reach his full power? I know people speculated that on here for Jiren, but that could have been an actual thing here. The writers left hints at there being more to Jiren than what it seems so it wouldn't feel like an ass pull. It makes sense. If Toppo was the candidate for god of destruction in U11. If Jiren wasn't made a huge deal in the beginning and they just left Toppo as the face of U11 many would assume he was the strongest there. If they had U11 and U7 be the exhibition match in the anime, similar to the manga, but have the full on team and have Goku and Toppo battle where Goku loses to Toppo even while using SSB. It makes Toppo a big deal and makes everyone think he is the strongest. There is no mention of Jiren at all.
When the tournament began the Pride Troopers could have Jiren among them, but not be viewed or singled out in the beginning. Jiren starts meditating from the start so he can access his full power. The longer he does it the more of his power he can use. They causally drop hints that Jiren is more than he seems. Like a fighter tries to pick him off while he is meditating, but Jiren opens his eyes and pushes him back with a strong shock wave. Preview how much of a beast Jiren is by having him go in before he finishes his meditation and have him be an beast by powering up so much that he draws all attention to him by the sheer amount of ki he has, then have him body people left and right with Goku needing to go all the way to 20 x Kaioken to match Jiren and push him back. When Goku is exhausted we find out Jiren was only using 65% of his power and he'll go back into meditating to access his max power. It creates a reason for him to go back to being inactive, creates a sense of dread since him only being a little bit over half his power was such a beast, and us wondering how strong his max power actually was.
Throw in actual contestants trying to gun for Jiren while he meditates and have the Pride Troopers battle them to protect Jiren and you have a suspenseful event again. Team 7 could be some of those members. They want convey tension, have Goku of all people tell Gohan and Vegeta they need to knock Jiren out before he goes to full power. If Goku doesn't even want to risk Jiren going to full power fans would take notice.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Feb 23, 2018 6:01:31 GMT
Do you still know the name of that fanfiction, maybe? Somehow, it reminds me of this. No. I don't remember. I like the picture though. I'm sure there are a hundred like that one though. I think having the consequences mentioned at the beginning could have still had tension. The fault was the tournament didn't maintain it through having the characters not treat it like a life and death battle. Yu Yu Hakusho's Dark Tournament. We were told upfront what happens if the heroes lose or don't enter the tournament. The series did a good job balancing tones, so some fights had characters develop a friendly rivalry, while still keeping the matches tense. Yusuke vs. Jin had both characters develop a bond, but Yusuke still treated the fight seriously and understood what happened if he lost, so the tension was still there and with each failed attempt at beating Jin the tension kept building. Super could have done a good job at that had things played out differently.
Speaking of Dark Tournament I think it would have been better if Jiren was left as the surprise strongest member/wild card of U11 and Toppo was presented as the false strongest member. Jiren becomes the Chu to Toppo's Zeru. Jiren could be like Dabura. Anyone remember how Dabura had to meditate to reach his full power? I know people speculated that on here for Jiren, but that could have been an actual thing here. The writers left hints at there being more to Jiren than what it seems so it wouldn't feel like an ass pull. It makes sense. If Toppo was the candidate for god of destruction in U11. If Jiren wasn't made a huge deal in the beginning and they just left Toppo as the face of U11 many would assume he was the strongest there. If they had U11 and U7 be the exhibition match in the anime, similar to the manga, but have the full on team and have Goku and Toppo battle where Goku loses to Toppo even while using SSB. It makes Toppo a big deal and makes everyone think he is the strongest. There is no mention of Jiren at all.
When the tournament began the Pride Troopers could have Jiren among them, but not be viewed or singled out in the beginning. Jiren starts meditating from the start so he can access his full power. The longer he does it the more of his power he can use. They causally drop hints that Jiren is more than he seems. Like a fighter tries to pick him off while he is meditating, but Jiren opens his eyes and pushes him back with a strong shock wave. Preview how much of a beast Jiren is by having him go in before he finishes his meditation and have him be an beast by powering up so much that he draws all attention to him by the sheer amount of ki he has, then have him body people left and right with Goku needing to go all the way to 20 x Kaioken to match Jiren and push him back. When Goku is exhausted we find out Jiren was only using 65% of his power and he'll go back into meditating to access his max power. It creates a reason for him to go back to being inactive, creates a sense of dread since him only being a little bit over half his power was such a beast, and us wondering how strong his max power actually was.
Throw in actual contestants trying to gun for Jiren while he meditates and have the Pride Troopers battle them to protect Jiren and you have a suspenseful event again. Team 7 could be some of those members. They want convey tension, have Goku of all people tell Gohan and Vegeta they need to knock Jiren out before he goes to full power. If Goku doesn't even want to risk Jiren going to full power fans would take notice.
Lamentably, as we discussed before... The U6 Saga proved that even if they tried to do something "Dark Tournament like" they would utterly fail and make it look like a filler arc. U6 tournament had more similarities in format (almost identical) to the Dark tournament than the ToP. |
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Post by Son Pan on Feb 23, 2018 20:25:51 GMT
No. I don't remember. I like the picture though. I'm sure there are a hundred like that one though. I think having the consequences mentioned at the beginning could have still had tension. The fault was the tournament didn't maintain it through having the characters not treat it like a life and death battle. Yu Yu Hakusho's Dark Tournament. We were told upfront what happens if the heroes lose or don't enter the tournament. The series did a good job balancing tones, so some fights had characters develop a friendly rivalry, while still keeping the matches tense. Yusuke vs. Jin had both characters develop a bond, but Yusuke still treated the fight seriously and understood what happened if he lost, so the tension was still there and with each failed attempt at beating Jin the tension kept building. Super could have done a good job at that had things played out differently.
Speaking of Dark Tournament I think it would have been better if Jiren was left as the surprise strongest member/wild card of U11 and Toppo was presented as the false strongest member. Jiren becomes the Chu to Toppo's Zeru. Jiren could be like Dabura. Anyone remember how Dabura had to meditate to reach his full power? I know people speculated that on here for Jiren, but that could have been an actual thing here. The writers left hints at there being more to Jiren than what it seems so it wouldn't feel like an ass pull. It makes sense. If Toppo was the candidate for god of destruction in U11. If Jiren wasn't made a huge deal in the beginning and they just left Toppo as the face of U11 many would assume he was the strongest there. If they had U11 and U7 be the exhibition match in the anime, similar to the manga, but have the full on team and have Goku and Toppo battle where Goku loses to Toppo even while using SSB. It makes Toppo a big deal and makes everyone think he is the strongest. There is no mention of Jiren at all.
When the tournament began the Pride Troopers could have Jiren among them, but not be viewed or singled out in the beginning. Jiren starts meditating from the start so he can access his full power. The longer he does it the more of his power he can use. They causally drop hints that Jiren is more than he seems. Like a fighter tries to pick him off while he is meditating, but Jiren opens his eyes and pushes him back with a strong shock wave. Preview how much of a beast Jiren is by having him go in before he finishes his meditation and have him be an beast by powering up so much that he draws all attention to him by the sheer amount of ki he has, then have him body people left and right with Goku needing to go all the way to 20 x Kaioken to match Jiren and push him back. When Goku is exhausted we find out Jiren was only using 65% of his power and he'll go back into meditating to access his max power. It creates a reason for him to go back to being inactive, creates a sense of dread since him only being a little bit over half his power was such a beast, and us wondering how strong his max power actually was.
Throw in actual contestants trying to gun for Jiren while he meditates and have the Pride Troopers battle them to protect Jiren and you have a suspenseful event again. Team 7 could be some of those members. They want convey tension, have Goku of all people tell Gohan and Vegeta they need to knock Jiren out before he goes to full power. If Goku doesn't even want to risk Jiren going to full power fans would take notice.
Lamentably, as we discussed before... The U6 Saga proved that even if they tried to do something "Dark Tournament like" they would utterly fail and make it look like a filler arc. U6 tournament had more similarities in format (almost identical) to the Dark tournament than the ToP. You can't even let me dream.  |
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Post by Xeno Black on Feb 24, 2018 4:35:02 GMT
Based on a video from Geekdom101, both episodes 129 and 130 will showcase the fight between Goku and Jiren. But so far the last episode, 131, has yet to be spoiled though interestingly it shares the same title name as GT's last episode. How all of this is going to fit into Eoz is going to be interesting indeed, unless a untold retcon is in the works.
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Post by Axalon on Feb 26, 2018 10:51:40 GMT
Wasn't really sure where to put this but it seemed relevant enough to a "Super General"
So what do y'all think? Did he get the Hit treatment and get a voice that doesn't suit him (prior to Matthew Mercer) or is it just right?
Edit: It seems to be Travis Willingham I think. He did work on Cell's voice as well. I think it's...fine. Truth be told I think someone like Jiren should sound a lot like All-Might, which this voice basically seems to embody. Not as epic as All-Might, but few are. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 12:36:49 GMT
Wasn't really sure where to put this but it seemed relevant enough to a "Super General"
So what do y'all think? Did he get the Hit treatment and get a voice that doesn't suit him (prior to Matthew Mercer) or is it just right?
Edit: It seems to be Travis Willingham I think. He did work on Cell's voice as well. From what I’ve heard the VA is Patrick Seitz. Now as for the voice. I think it works. It reminds me of All Might except he has a giant stick up his ass. |
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Post by Axalon on Feb 27, 2018 0:35:50 GMT
For comparison here's Piccolo Armstrong All-Might in the English dub.
I like Sabat, though personally I prefer Japanese All-Might in this instance.
I keep using All-Might as a comparison, since really both are based on the American Superhero archetype so I figure they're similar enough. Would've been hilarious if they got Sabat to voice Jiren though.
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Post by Son Pan on Feb 27, 2018 4:42:54 GMT
Wasn't really sure where to put this but it seemed relevant enough to a "Super General"
So what do y'all think? Did he get the Hit treatment and get a voice that doesn't suit him (prior to Matthew Mercer) or is it just right?
Edit: It seems to be Travis Willingham I think. He did work on Cell's voice as well. Sounds fine to me. It is clearly an exaggerated heroic voice and tone, which is the type of character Jiren is based off of. |
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Post by Namikaze on Feb 27, 2018 7:34:47 GMT
Wasn't really sure where to put this but it seemed relevant enough to a "Super General"
So what do y'all think? Did he get the Hit treatment and get a voice that doesn't suit him (prior to Matthew Mercer) or is it just right?
Edit: It seems to be Travis Willingham I think. He did work on Cell's voice as well. Feels like a voice more suited for Toppo. Jiren is meant to be subdued and detached; not come off like an uppity super hero. |
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Feb 27, 2018 7:36:27 GMT
Wasn't really sure where to put this but it seemed relevant enough to a "Super General"
So what do y'all think? Did he get the Hit treatment and get a voice that doesn't suit him (prior to Matthew Mercer) or is it just right?
Edit: It seems to be Travis Willingham I think. He did work on Cell's voice as well. Feels like a voice more suited Toppo. Jiren is meant to be subdued and detached; not come off like an uppity super hero. I agree. This voice sounds very Toppo-like. Even with a similar timbre to his Japanese VA. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 12:23:37 GMT
From what I’ve heard the VA is Patrick Seitz. Now as for the voice. I think it works. It reminds me of All Might except he has a giant stick up his ass.
I think it's gonna take some getting used to for me. Although Fuu's voice is perfect for him, can't place my finger on who it is. I think it's Todd Haberkorn, who voices Jaco.
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Post by Axalon on Feb 28, 2018 1:00:55 GMT
They really need to stop it with the evil scientist characters who happen to be related to other characters in the games.
AhahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
So let me guess, we, as the player character, are going to be STRONGER THAN UI GOKU and defeat Jiren and Black and Zamasu at the same time with some minor help from Trunks and Tapion? I just...wow.
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