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Post by Xeno Black on Jan 19, 2017 20:51:24 GMT
These three pages give us a great estimate where Gast is truly at: Attachment DeletedFrom what I can gather from it, Gast most likely was able to defeat Fat Buu in his universe, which is not bad since the pink demon was comparable to SSJ3 Goku and stronger than SSJ2 Majin Vegeta. This was supported when he effortlessly defeat the strongest Cell Jr that Perfect Cell has ever created, who was stronger than Super Perfect Cell during the Cell Games 27 years ago (thus at the very minimum being at high SSJ2 tier). For the third round, whether Gast is truly holding back or not is unknown since he appears to be dead even against SSJ3 Ghost Vegeta. Personally I would place SSJ3 Vegeta somewhere close to Super Buu (speculating here since SSJ3 Vegeta should be way stronger than Fat Buu), so Gast at most should be comparable to SSJ3 Gotenks during the Buu saga at full power. Thus I agree with ltsarge on this. As for the Zen Buu crisis, Gast merely used unique magic powers to stop the djinn during his rampage. Impressive, but not a accurate depiction of Gast true power since people can defeat stronger beings using stronger attacks. The spirit bomb used by Goku is a prime example. Nonetheless I believe that Gast is at the very least stronger than Goku as a SSJ3 since Goku himself was amazed by the strength of the Super Namekaian (pages 486 and 791 for verification), which makes sense since he is able to fight against SSJ3 Vegeta evenly. EDIT: After looking at page 953, Gast probably does have a extra reservoir of power waiting to be released. Of course the page itself was merely Gast pointing out to Goten that he was merely waiting for a challenge so that he could purposefully not handicap himself against the likes of cheap tricks employed by King Piccolo, but I think thre is more to it than what the line says. If this was to be interpreted differently, Gast IS most likely holding back against SSJ3 Vegetea, but by how much and why is yet to be determined.
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Post by Andres on Jan 19, 2017 21:10:41 GMT
These three pages give us a great estimate where Gast is truly at:
From what I can gather from it, Gast most likely was able to defeat Fat Buu in his universe, which is not bad since the pink demon I'm going to be a crazy mofo here:
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Post by Xeno Black on Jan 19, 2017 21:16:53 GMT
These three pages give us a great estimate where Gast is truly at:
From what I can gather from it, Gast most likely was able to defeat Fat Buu in his universe, which is not bad since the pink demon I'm going to be a crazy mofo here:
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The pink demon Nail was talking is... Dabura!
DAM DAM DAAAAAAAMLol I remember you did brought up that point before. But for now I shall leave it as Buu hehe. After all a pink demon can literally be either Buu or Dabura, so anybody is right in this regard until further notice.
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Post by Xeno Black on Jan 19, 2017 21:25:13 GMT
Sorry for the double post but another reason why I believe Gast fought Buu instead of Dabura Andres is because of the simple fact Gast had a magical technique specifically designed to contain Zen Buu during his rampage in the second round. No way Gast could create such a complex technique on the spot, thus leading credibility that he has encountered the pink demon in his own universe.
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Post by thejakub on Jan 19, 2017 22:17:50 GMT
One more thing to all people trying to derive Gast PL based on this few pages - you remember that in specials, just after fusing Gast was hurt by Frieza 4th form 50% and soon after that he defeated 4th form Cold (so somebody around 10 times stronger), right?
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Post by Xeno Black on Jan 19, 2017 22:43:19 GMT
One more thing to all people trying to derive Gast PL based on this few pages - you remember that in specials, just after fusing Gast was hurt by Frieza 4th form 50% and soon after that he defeated 4th form Cold (so somebody around 10 times stronger), right? You have to remember that in the specials the initial Gast was stronger than Frieza, but was easily overpowered by second form Frieza. It was after he finished fusing with a undetermined number of namekians he was able to easily outclass 2nd and 3rd form Frieza. Even after undergoing in his final form (percentage is unknown, though he was obviously not at 100% though the novel might have revealed his true percent rate), Gast did managed to easily kill Frieza. Some time later (with a little training possibly happening, Gast was able to easily kill Cooler and his Armour squadron very easily. Not jump forth to his battle against Final Form King Cold. Despite not having control of his own power, the king of the frost demons (who is comparable to Androids 16, 17, and 18 at his lowest percentages) managed to match Gast blow to blow despite the super namekian having a slight edge. It was only after the frost demon was tired from firing his Death Ball which enabled Gast to kill him since he was no longer at the top of his strength. Now if Gast fought against King Cold while he was at 100%, Gast would have most likely lost even though King Cold would have most likely blown up from his sheer power. Thus Gast is considered to be weaker Semi-Perfect Form Cell at this point. If you travel further in the future, it is revealed that Gast killed a lizard monster (most likely Perfect Cell) and a pink demon (Majin Buu or Dabura if you are inclined to believe that), which painfully suggests that his power would realistically clock out at a SSJ3 tops. It is true he does have magic, but it will not accurately represent the limits of his power his body contains. After all, anybody can beat a superior opponent if you have superior techniques, but it does not mean you can accomplish the same feats with your bodyif such techniques were unavailable. Thus Gast can still win this fight if he has stronger techniques he can use to crush Raichi and his ghosts. If not, LSSJ Broly and Hirudegarn will be near impossible to overcome in the long run. 32 years of training can only do so much for non-saiyan combatants, and unfortunately even a fused namekian will have his limits.
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Post by Son Pan on Jan 19, 2017 23:21:59 GMT
Ugh, we have four months before we return to this fight. If things are back to three chapters a week we could be a month or two to see Gast's power. This is going to be a long time coming.
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Post by thejakub on Jan 20, 2017 1:13:32 GMT
One more thing to all people trying to derive Gast PL based on this few pages - you remember that in specials, just after fusing Gast was hurt by Frieza 4th form 50% and soon after that he defeated 4th form Cold (so somebody around 10 times stronger), right? You have to remember that in the specials the initial Gast was stronger than Frieza, but was easily overpowered by second form Frieza. It was after he finished fusing with a undetermined number of namekians he was able to easily outclass 2nd and 3rd form Frieza. Even after undergoing in his final form (percentage is unknown, though he was obviously not at 100% though the novel might have revealed his true percent rate), Gast did managed to easily kill Frieza. Some time later (with a little training possibly happening, Gast was able to easily kill Cooler and his Armour squadron very easily. Not jump forth to his battle against Final Form King Cold. Despite not having control of his own power, the king of the frost demons (who is comparable to Androids 16, 17, and 18 at his lowest percentages) managed to match Gast blow to blow despite the super namekian having a slight edge. It was only after the frost demon was tired from firing his Death Ball which enabled Gast to kill him since he was no longer at the top of his strength. Now if Gast fought against King Cold while he was at 100%, Gast would have most likely lost even though King Cold would have most likely blown up from his sheer power. Thus Gast is considered to be weaker Semi-Perfect Form Cell at this point. Yes, but what i meant was that Frieza actually managed to land a few hits on a true Gast (e.g. here: www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-519.html#h_read), while Gast also managed to defeat many times stronger Cold shortly after, so I don't understand people assuming that Gast is SSJ3 tier just because Vegeta punched him a few times.
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Post by Xeno Black on Jan 20, 2017 4:05:47 GMT
You have to remember that in the specials the initial Gast was stronger than Frieza, but was easily overpowered by second form Frieza. It was after he finished fusing with a undetermined number of namekians he was able to easily outclass 2nd and 3rd form Frieza. Even after undergoing in his final form (percentage is unknown, though he was obviously not at 100% though the novel might have revealed his true percent rate), Gast did managed to easily kill Frieza. Some time later (with a little training possibly happening, Gast was able to easily kill Cooler and his Armour squadron very easily. Not jump forth to his battle against Final Form King Cold. Despite not having control of his own power, the king of the frost demons (who is comparable to Androids 16, 17, and 18 at his lowest percentages) managed to match Gast blow to blow despite the super namekian having a slight edge. It was only after the frost demon was tired from firing his Death Ball which enabled Gast to kill him since he was no longer at the top of his strength. Now if Gast fought against King Cold while he was at 100%, Gast would have most likely lost even though King Cold would have most likely blown up from his sheer power. Thus Gast is considered to be weaker Semi-Perfect Form Cell at this point. Yes, but what i meant was that Frieza actually managed to land a few hits on a true Gast (e.g. here: www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-519.html#h_read), while Gast also managed to defeat many times stronger Cold shortly after, so I don't understand people assuming that Gast is SSJ3 tier just because Vegeta punched him a few times. Interesting, but until further notice we can only go by what we see. And so far that is Gast struggling against SSJ3 Vegeta. Until the pages come out, Gast will remain to be SSJ3 tier until he does something that says otherwise.
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Post by Axalon on Jan 20, 2017 4:08:27 GMT
Gast said earlier that strength alone was nothing.
Now we'll get to see if he can put his money where his mouth is now that behind him is Mr. Invincible and in front of him is the Fabulous Prince of all Saiyans.
I'm betting this is where we'll see what he meant by that. When two Titans of Strength have him cornered.
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Post by ltsarge on Jan 20, 2017 7:55:13 GMT
Sorry for the double post but another reason why I believe Gast fought Buu instead of Dabura Andres is because of the simple fact Gast had a magical technique specifically designed to contain Zen Buu during his rampage in the second round. No way Gast could create such a complex technique on the spot, thus leading credibility that he has encountered the pink demon in his own universe. Agree with this. Nothing states that gast defeated buu through raw force alone, only he defeated a pink demon. If he had trouble with buu, and had to discover method to contain buu in his universe, a magic technique like that would be something logical for him to try developing, and would make more sense for him to have in his arsenal whom during the zen buu rampage. Like tien using the mafuba technique. Also, Dabura is red, not pink, right?
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Post by Conqueror Geng on May 31, 2017 6:39:39 GMT
Time to get back to this thread.
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Post by VoidSlayer on May 31, 2017 6:56:26 GMT
Time to get back to this thread. In that case then i nominate that Gast is a SS3 tier fighter, yet where exactly he'd place in that tier is the million dollaridoo question. He's fighting fairly evenly against SS3 Vegeta yet has not powered up at all as he did against a SS2-tier Cell Jr. The main thing i think is that the Vegeta and Broly Ghosts have kept him on the defensive so far because of fantastic teamwork more than any overwhelming power advantage. How Gast escapes his current predicament is what will tell about how strong he actually is as these are without a doubt the strongest opponents he's faced in this tournament
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Post by snowflake on Jun 15, 2017 3:57:05 GMT
I think it's safe to say Gast's regeneration equals or surpasses Cell's.
From a shred of an arm to fully healed and whole in about 10 seconds?
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Post by VoidSlayer on Jun 15, 2017 7:49:53 GMT
I'll say one thing about Gast though- He's without a doubt the most efficient fighter i've ever seen, in either DBM or DBZ/S. Actually goes straight for the opponents weak spot without any false bravado, focusing on getting the one thing he needs (His wish to revive his people). I said it earlier and i'll say it again- The only reason he struggled against SS3 Vegeta and Broly was their short-lived teamwork more than any overwhelming power advantage. Plus that regen though- That's near majin-buu level because he would have been reduced to basically ashes from Vegeta's attack
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Post by Axalon on Jun 15, 2017 7:59:31 GMT
I think it's safe to say Gast's regeneration equals or surpasses Cell's. From a shred of an arm to fully healed and whole in about 10 seconds? That's assuming he actually regenerated from the arm though. When we see Gast whole again his head is the only thing not dripping with green slime. As we see in both DBZ and in DBM, when a character regenerates something the regenerated part has that same green slime while the undamaged parts don't. I won't deny that it's necessarily impossible, especially given how some things have been retconned like Broly being invincible, but until then I haven't seen anything to suggest that this isn't standard Namekian regeneration given Gast's head isn't the only thing dripping with regeneration juice. I'm not sure how his head could've survived Ghost Vegeta's attack, but then again I've also no idea how Broly was constantly gaining power in an unconscious state while maintaining the Legendary transformation whle frozen in a big block of ice either.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Jun 15, 2017 8:02:30 GMT
I think it's safe to say Gast's regeneration equals or surpasses Cell's. From a shred of an arm to fully healed and whole in about 10 seconds? 29 Seconds. I'd say his Regen likely equals Cell. But we can't be so sure. Could Gast regen literally from a single Cell like he did that time on Kaito planet?
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Post by Axalon on Jun 15, 2017 8:14:00 GMT
I think it's safe to say Gast's regeneration equals or surpasses Cell's. From a shred of an arm to fully healed and whole in about 10 seconds? That's assuming he actually regenerated from the arm though. When we see Gast whole again his head is the only thing not dripping with green slime. As we see in both DBZ and in DBM, when a character regenerates something the regenerated part has that same green slime while the undamaged parts don't. I won't deny that it's necessarily impossible, especially given how some things have been retconned like Broly being invincible, but until then I haven't seen anything to suggest that this isn't standard Namekian regeneration given Gast's head isn't the only thing dripping with regeneration juice. I'm not sure how his head could've survived Ghost Vegeta's attack, but then again I've also no idea how Broly was constantly gaining power in an unconscious state while maintaining the Legendary transformation whle frozen in a big block of ice either. To add onto this, Piccolo literally regenerates from a shattered pile of pieces courtesy of Trunks (though with his head intact) to fully healed and clothed in the next panel/page in the Buu saga, which is immediately after Dabura gets cookie-fied and eaten by Buu.
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Post by Son Pan on Jun 16, 2017 7:30:55 GMT
I'm going to hold out and say Gast is as powerful as Mystic Gohan. Vegeta gave him a bit of trouble, but Broly seemed to be the real problem. If Gast wins and powers up later to reveal he is stronger than Bra's Super Saiyan form (thus requiring her to master her emotions to use SS2 to defeat him) I wouldn't be surprised or find it to be an ass pull.
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Post by snowflake on Jun 19, 2017 0:17:39 GMT
Gast is sweating at Hatchiyak appearing, so I'm suddenly having my doubts now...
Of course, Kami knows what Salagir is gonna set this Hatchiyak's power level at. Probably at Vegito and ZenBuu sweatdrop levels.
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