Opinions on U16 Bra

No, I actually follow it every other day in the comments and read people's posts. I saw people cheering on bra getting brutalized by cold, but never saw any abundance of anyone saying they want to see her raped. I'm not even sure I've seen anyone say they want her to be raped once, and I've been a lurker on the dbm comments for a long time. If those guys as u claim are doing that, they are probably just trolls.
Maybe the mods deleted those comments, or maybe they never existed, or maybe u have been exaggerating tremondously. but all I can say is provide proof or im just going to dismiss ur claim for now.

Not saying its impossible that someone could have said "I want to see Cold rape bra."  This is the internet.  And the mods have deleted some inflammatory comments in the past.  I've just never seen it, and so when I hear it being a huge problem in the fan base I find that claim to be spurious at best.

I think it's safe to assume he's not on the forum (or maybe he was whatever ) so there's no reason to panick like he did. As evidenced by the poll, most people here don't hate Bra, nor love her. I'd say most don't dislike her by principle but are quite fed up with her bullshit, a somewhat unearned high power, and last episode. Most people likely have a long list of more preferable characters, but still don't "hate her".

Considering all the recent exposure, and then this special... well, it's a bit of a Bra overdose, most are probably already a bit tired (despite the special is actually quite good).

Yeah. Considering how controversial of a fight this was, and also where the chapter ended--Bra chopping Cold, but not being declared winner--having a 3 month wait before we see what happens next...isn't going to make people happy.

Personally, since the Mary Sue bs became a thing, I haven't noticed many comments mentioning rape, however, aaaaages ago I recall it being very common. In fact, the reason I stopped being a lurker was to tell cunts to shut the fuck up about their unjustified levels of hatred for Bra as it was preventing me from enjoying the comment section. It was fucking ridiculous.
Just think about this, replace the short single sentenced comments that negatively mention Mary Sue these days with I want her to die and/or get raped comments, that's how it used to be before the mods were forced into action.

Now they have this grossly misused buzzword Mary Sue to work with and can't get banned for saying it and this is beginning to fry me all over again.
I would love for the comments section to get a word filter.

I didn't mind Bra all that much until this recent match. I'm still hoping for a potential double KO ! At the last second, King Cold swings what's left of his tail and severely injuries Bra then they both collapse and pass out at the same time. It's somewhat of a win-win situation because Bra learns to not underestimate her opponents when she thinks they're down and King Cold gets spared from having to face off against the mighty Gast next round.

If not a double KO, then at least a major scolding from Gohan or Vegetto. It works with the placement of this recent special because it revealed more of her relationship with Gohan and he seems to be one of the few people she'll listen to.

These are all pretty good ideas. I think another way to go about it would be to have Cold be the one relying on outside methods to level the playing field. Like, what if he sent an agent over to poison Bra's food? Or what if Buu gave him knowledge of some kind of ki-draining attack? The biggest problem with the fight, IMHO, is that Cold is the underdog in the situation. He's gone further than any other member of his race, by far - even Cooler, whose whole gimmick is being "the serious one who actually bothered to train," didn't know about a second augmentation form. Bra's trained too, sure, but it's hard to take that seriously when she could have squashed Cold as a first-grader. And when a character's the underdog who worked hard for what they've got, the audience immediately roots for them a little. Salagir tries to circumvent this by making Cold stronger than Base Bra in terms of brute power, but it rings hollow because the only reason Bra's having any trouble is because she's an idiot.

Instead of making Form 2 Cold stronger than Bra, Salagir could have had Cold be the same strength or slightly weaker, and have him rely on cruel or cheating methods to get the upper hand. Then Bra would go further and further into her own strength to try to kill him, eventually being forced to admit that brute force is really all she's got. This would reveal a weakness in Bra's character - she's spent so long relying on her inborn strength that her skill with tactics or dealing with unconventional opponents has atrophied. She could have to deal with the humiliation of being nearly killed by an opponent less than a percentage point of her strength.

Instead, Salagir tries to push a message that Bra is both a great sheer-power fighter and a great unconventional and tactical fighter, but it doesn't work. Partly because Bra's previous character flaw has been "I must learn to control this unfathomable power" (killing Zangya, for instance), and partly because none of those new abilities were given any kind of foreshadowing. It doesn't make Bra seem clever, because part of making a character clever is showing them make the best of what they've got. It's why chess is so often associated with intellect, because it's a completely fair game with defined rules and resources, so when a character beats an opponent at chess, you know they were genuinely better at using their resources than their opponent. "Outsmarting" an opponent by using a never-revealed power is like a chess player "beating" an opponent by revealing that their pawns can actually move like queens. It even makes Bra's already questionable conduct in earlier fights look even worse, because if she really could snare opponents so easily, why didn't she just use that technique on Zangya and Eleim? It feels like it was trying to answer complaints about Bra not having earned her power, but it was done in a very clunky fashion that honestly just makes her look even worse. Instead of letting the flaw stand and have it inconvenience her, he tries to correct it, but the problem is that he corrects it in a way that is neither convincing nor congruent with Bra's prior character.


This is my other big problem with a lot of people who claim that it's not the time for Bra to go through development. We are twelve hundred pages in, and talking about one of the most prominent characters in the comic... and she's still basically the same person she was in Comic #1. She's had backstory revealed since then, but that's not the same as character growth. And she's not like Goku or Vegeta, where she has an entire franchise of development backing her; she's mostly an OC. And as an OC, we're partly interested in Bra because we want to know her story - and if Bra's story is "Bra beat up people who were way weaker than her anyway," then Bra's story is incredibly boring. Hell, even Bra's development in her backstory is kind of lacking. Look at Gast's specials, where he goes through a clear arc from a guy who cared only about reviving his race to going out of his way to protect and live with others - meanwhile, Kid Bra seems to be basically the same as Older Bra only marginally more bloodthirsty (and even then, that's only if you ignore Novelization Bra) and significantly more whiny.