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Post by mbg on Nov 13, 2016 8:04:05 GMT
Speaking in the Watsonian sense, I think the reason Gero didn't make it in is that, in a world where Gero won, he wouldn't exactly have much reason to show up. All the fighters we've seen had a clear motive - they either wanted the wish (Tapion, Gast, the Freeza family, the Heliorites) or they wanted to get into fights (the U18 and U16 guys, Cell, Android 16, Raichi). Even the ones who we haven't been given explicit reasons could probably be guessed pretty easily. But Gero wouldn't have either. Nothing about Gero's personality says he's the sort of person who enjoys fighting, and in a world where he killed Goku, he wouldn't exactly be wanting for much. People like King Piccolo or Babidi probably want a few extra wishes to strengthen their claims on universal domination, but Gero just wanted Goku dead and he got that. Maaaybe rebuilding the Red Ribbon Army, but it's not like he'd need a wish for that.
Of course, the Doylist reason was probably the same reason the poor guy got cut out of being the main baddie of his own arc.
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Post by shenron1985 on Nov 13, 2016 13:49:55 GMT
Speaking in the Watsonian sense, I think the reason Gero didn't make it in is that, in a world where Gero won, he wouldn't exactly have much reason to show up. All the fighters we've seen had a clear motive - they either wanted the wish (Tapion, Gast, the Freeza family, the Heliorites) or they wanted to get into fights (the U18 and U16 guys, Cell, Android 16, Raichi). Even the ones who we haven't been given explicit reasons could probably be guessed pretty easily. But Gero wouldn't have either. Nothing about Gero's personality says he's the sort of person who enjoys fighting, and in a world where he killed Goku, he wouldn't exactly be wanting for much. People like King Piccolo or Babidi probably want a few extra wishes to strengthen their claims on universal domination, but Gero just wanted Goku dead and he got that. Maaaybe rebuilding the Red Ribbon Army, but it's not like he'd need a wish for that. Of course, the Doylist reason was probably the same reason the poor guy got cut out of being the main baddie of his own arc. The only way I see Gero in the tournament if he will want to wish his son back to life.
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Post by Xeno Black on Nov 22, 2016 18:17:27 GMT
I would actually create a universe where Janemba became "god" in his universe upon defeating the Z-Fighters. I made a blog post about my Janemba storyline on the DBM wiki earlier this year, but I shall post it here too. Here it is: Origins (Universe 36 - 5 million years before Age 774)
Once every several generations, A golden fruit from the great World Tree will be sprouted from it's branches to give birth to a kaioshin. However, one out of every ten births from a golden fruit has the chance to become corrupted. When this happens, it will turn pitch black and instead of a pure-heart kaioshin being born, a makaioshin shall take it's place as a powerful demonic being with great power. This was the case for the creation of Janemba!
Upon being born from the World Tree, Janemba [in terms of appearance, imagine final form Janemba with a palette color of purple and white with subtle differences, which was his original color during the production of the movie] takes his first breathe of life and begins to stretch out his new body. Satisfied with his looks, he is about to use his innate knowledge of ki to begin destroying his planet of birth while calling himself "Janemba" [despite being a corrupt kaioshin, Janemba was very intelligent upon his birth via World Tree's essence]. Before he could do so, the current generation of kaioshin (Grand Supreme Kai, Southern, etc) appear and make a ultimatum with Janemba.
The choices were to surrender to the kaioshins now and use your power to support justice while training yourself to destroy the evil within you. Or you could face annihilation with a potential lesser extent of forever being locked away forever in Demon World. Amused by the theatrics his fellow kaioshin speak of, Janemba spits the ground where their feet lay and prepar to battle them. But despite his best efforts, he was ultimately defeated and was sentenced to a eternity in Demon World to rot until he dies and reincarnates as a pure soul.
Vowing to exact his vengeance against the kaioshin, Janemba was then sentenced to Demon World to serve his sentence as the kaioshin go about their usual business. But unbeknownst to them all, Bibidi was preparing to release Majin Buu upon the world shortly, thus robbing Janemba his chance of getting his revenge on the ones who sent him to his bleak hell.
Origins - 3 million years before Age 774
After spending two million years in Demon World, Janemba became one of the strongest entities to ever exist among the demon race. As one of the three great demon kings [others being Aladjinn and Jafarstein who are fellow makaioshin as well], Janemba was known as the "Master of Demon World" among the entire southern borders of Demon World. Using his vast expense of land and power, Janemba created a very lucrative "organized crime syndicate" with him being the kingpin. Along with that, his city of demons and trained militia were known throughout demon world for being incredibly vicious and powerful, which pleased Janemba to some degree! But despite creating a utopia for himself in Demon World, Janemba is still frustrated that he is in Demon World to begin with. Instead of torturing the mortals in the Living Realm and not ruling the entirety of Otherworld by himself, he instead has to play around with flocks of demons in a landscape that somewhat has him bored. To keep his mind off of his predicament, he trains constanty to improve himself [and to one day kill his final fellow makaioshin and kaioshin] while playing with politics among his kingdom.
When trying to figure out a new demon king [basically a demon's version for governor] for his kingdom, he stumbles upon a young Dabura who wishes to become Janemba's right hand man. Intrigued by his potential, he invites Dabura to particiapte in his "Demon World tournament' for the chance to become the new king.
As the tournament reaches the finals, it ends up with Dabura facing off against Abra. When Dabura finally manages to win, Janemba proclaims Dabura to be the new Demon King of his country. Janemba's territory gets even more stronger in the following years!
Origins - Age 300 to beginning of Age 774
After spending so many years in Demon World, Janemba has became very bored from the repetitive routines he does everyday, despite the growth of his kingdom. On the verge of a total meltdown, he catches word from his advisor, Aku, that Dabura has seemingly vanished from his posistion. Disappointed that Dabura has fled away from being Demon King, Janemba decides to ante up his life by declaring war against Aladjinn and Jafarstein in a attempt to rule over all of Demon World. As the years go on, the war has created many casualties among all three kingdoms. Tired of the "eternal" stalemate though, Janemba does a little bit of research and comes across a ancient book called the Legend of Demigra. Upon reading this story, Janemba learns that it is possible for a demon to evolve further called "Demon God" who possess strength surpassing the gods of creation. Inspired by this book, Janemba begins to increase his magic capabilites (learns ki absorption, limited reality manipulation, etc) in the hopes to assimilate his fellow two makaioshins powers to achieve this state, and to finally break free from his insufferable prision.
As the year has finally became Age 774, Janemba has a epic clash against Aladjinn and Jafarstein in a volcanic region in Demon World. After battling for a solid 72 hours, Jafarstein was the first to die via Aladjinn's black magic. Enraged that a huge ki was destoyed from his grasp, Janemba tries to take Aladjinn's at all costs. As the battle reaches it's climax, Aladjinn successfully manages to trap him and Janemba inside of a magical barrier when Janemba had him in the right posistion for absorption. When Aladjinn decides to self-destruct, Janemba becomes fearful for life, but it is futile since he cannot teleport fom this cage. When the explosion finally occurs, both Aladjinn and Janemba cease to exist from life.
When getting processed in Otherworld [bound in powerful restraints btw], Janemba was sentenced by King Yemma to be reincarnated as a good kaio via 10,000 years in one of the Soul Cleansing Machines along with Aladjinn and Jafarstein [and countless other deceased souls].
Janemba is then placed inside of the machine, damning his fortune for allowing such a fate!
Rebirth as a Almighty Demon - Age 774
After several months have passed since the Z-Fighters have defeated Majin Buu, life slowly returns to normal for them. However, a great disaster awaits for them when a simple accident in Otherworld will reverberate major consequences across the whole universe!
As the Saike Ogre begins to slack off from his duties to manage the soul machine, it slowly begins to malfunction. As luck will have it, this machine not only has the souls of Janemba and his fellow adversaries, it also has the soul of Kid Buu too who is being processed to be reincarnated into Uub very shortly. As the machine falls apart, several souls are awaken inside of the machine and attempt to gain dominance of the others souls, Janemba is one of them, and he successfully manages to overpower all of the souls who have and have not awaken. Using his absorption capabilites, Janemba manages to absorb all of their ki, but due to them being souls, he also manages to absorb their entire essence as well.
.....[Keep in mind that while the malfunction and subsequent explosion of the cleansing machine happens in mere moments, for the awaken souls it appears as several hours since their perception of time is different from beings who are alive on the outside].
As Janemba is absorbing all of the powers from the soul cleansing machine which contains eons of evil energy, he begins to take the form of a black mass reminiscient of a heart as his "body" seeps out of the cleansing machine. Upon being free, Janemba immediately absorbs all of the other souls in the cleansing machines and infects the very first person he finds in contact, which is Saike Ogre. Due to being unable to control his power and being somewhat influenced by Kid Buu's psyche, Janemba has the mind of a toddler as his new body is reconfigured using Saike Ogre as a vessel. With his transformation now complete, Janemba appears to be a giant, yellow, happy demon reminiscient of Fat Buu who begins to use his augmented powers of reality manipulation unconsciously in a attempt to have fun. After transforming most of Otherworld in his ideal image and making Hell his headquarters, Janemba watches as both the Living Realm and Otherworld have fallen into chaos (released demons and villains returning to life to haunt both worlds, the balance keeping all the worlds together slowly falls apart, etc).
While playing around in Hell, Janemba is confronted by both Goku, Vegeta, and Pikkon [King Yemma persuaded both to fight Janemba in the hopes his defeat will reset everything back to normal] who appear eager to get this done. After deciding that Goku shall fight Janemba, Pikkon and Vegeta becomes spectators as Janemba battles Goku.
As the fight progresses, Goku realizes that he cannot win even as a Super Saiyan 2, and senses that Janemba's ki and some abilities matches Kid Buu. Pressed for time and overpowered by a need to win at all costs, Goku becomes a Super Saiyan 3 [thus making Janemba the second villain ever to see this transformation from Goku] and easily "kills" Janemba by caving his entire head in via Dragon Fist [first time to ever use this move].
Believing Jameba has died, Goku was just about to power down until he senses Janemba's ki has resurfaced, and growing! Meanwhile in Janemba's mind, his conscience was reawoken from Goku's attack though his entire intellect has been restricted to a certain degree [his intelligence is comparable to base Super Buu]. As his mind takes hold, he subconsciously reshapes his body similar to the image he held in Demon World. With his transformation complete, Janemba marvels at his new image and thanks Goku for helping him to regain his previous form (which makes no sense to Goku btw). Deeming himself as the "Living definition of Evil", he creates his Dimension Sword and does battle with Goku. As the match reaches it's climax, Goku was soundly defeated by Janemba who didn't even receive a scratch (thanks to Buu's regeneration). Before he was killed, Vegeta intervenes and battles Janemba as a Super Saiyan 2. But it was not enough, and he too was soundly defeated.
As both Goku and Vegeta were at the mercy of Janemba, Pikkon manages to retrive them both and out-runs Janemba via trickery and running tactics. Now at a safe distance with their ki lowered, all three of them try to think of a plan as Janemba is seen destroying Hell in search for those three. When Goku comes up with fusion, he and Vegeta try it out. Sensing the merger, Janemba teleports to the area only to find Veku and a bewildered Pikkon. Noticing that the fusion somehow failed, Veku is highly worried to challenge Janemba as the latter is highly amused by the sight. He then decides to kill both Veku and Pikkon.
Janemba's Death - Most Universes (non-canon to Universe 36)
Pikkon attempts to fight Janemba to allow the fusion time to end so that they can retry, but gets destroyed by Janemba despite using his full power. Despite being so weak, Veku's saiyan pride will not allow him to run away. Before Pikkon could be killed, Janemba was robbed from his kill when Veku joins the fight. Surprisingly, Veki comically manages to survive for 30 minutes before defusing back into Goku and Vegeta. Irritated by these vermin constant ability to avoid death, Janemba goes after to kill Vegeta once and for all with his Dimension Blade right in the front.
....[The attempt to fly towards Vegeta is the event that most universes play out, which rolls down into Janemba's death. If he flown towards Goku, a different scenario plays out].....
Not wanting to lose Vegeta (and the chance to kill Janemba together since they can instantly refuse due to their last fusion being a failure), Goku teleports between them both and uses the solar flare on Janemba, thus blinding him. Unable to see, Goku regroups with Vegeta and attempt to fuse while Janemba is incapacitated. When Janemba finally recovers, see sees both Goku and Vegeta merging to become Gogeta. Instantly becoming a Super Saiyan, Gogeta proceeds to beat down Janemba no matter what the latter did. Now ten minutes into their fusion, Gogeta uses his Stardust Breaker to finally destroy Janemba once and for all [Janemba's actual soul is destroyed due to harboring ALL of the collective evil from the other souls, while the other souls are released and now pure of heart].
With the threat now over, all of creation is immediately corrected and everything falls back into place. Gogeta retrieves Pikkon, Saike Ogre, and all of the souls absorbed by Janemba with him back into King Yemma's office to heal and redistibute the souls. As things get underway, Gogeta notices the soul of Kid Buu (now purified and docile now}. When King Yemma notices Gogeta's request, Yemma immediately reincarnates Buu as a human being somewhere on Earth, thus greatly pleasing Gogeta as he difuses. Once everything is okay, both Goku and Vegeta teleport to Earth to relax and celebrate the victory with their loved ones.
Thus, the story of Janemba is forever closed by this point..
Enter, Zen Janemba - Age 774
Enraged that he has been unable to kill Goku or Vegeta despite being immensely stronger, Janemba decides to charge after Goku with his sword in hand. Getting his guard up, Goku becomes a Super Saiyan 3 to evade most of the attacks. As Vegeta is on his way, Goku suddenly depowers back into base form due to already being exhausted rom his earlier rounds. Taking advabntage of his lapse guard, Janemba chops off Goku's left arm as Vegeta arrives to the scene. As Goku screams in agony, Vegeta is shocked from the events since they can no longer fuse properly. With no other options left, Vegeta scrapes up enough energy to become a Super Saiyan 2 again, but is beaten very quickly despite his best efforts. Now on the ground bleeding to death, Goku fails to notice Janemba's approach who had just left Vegeta to rot in the barren soils of Hell. Intrigued by Goku's continued persistance to die, Janemba decides to add Goku's essence to his own, and attempts to absorb him via Majin Buu style. Goku attempts to struggle in vain, and is successfully absorbed by Janemba who powers up significantly from the merger.
With new abilites in his arsenal and now having unlocked 70% of his sealed intellect, Janemba is highly pleased with his end result of absorbing Goku. With new interests in mind, Janemba decides to torture Vegeta before absorbing him as well. Upon approaching a dead Vegeta, Janemba enters his mind via Goku's appearance and battles a weaken Vegeta in a mental battleground. After brutalizing Vegeta while admonishing him for his weakness, Vegeta breaks down and loses all hope to survive. Satisfied by breaking down the saiyan prince's sense of pride, Janemba possess his real body in the material world after absorbing his entire soul. Back in the real world, Jan Vegeta decides to have some fun by traveling to Earth to destroy the saiyan's loved one there. Upon arrival, he interrupts a battle between Gohan and Perfect Cell which both of them are shocked to see the demon prince. Amused by their expression, Jan Vegeta battles them both and manages to win since the other two combatants refused to work together. Delighted by the outcome due to being influenced by saiyan blood, SSJ3 Jan Vegeta (unlocked this form once the possession took place) absorbs both Cell and Gohan to increase his already great strength even further.
With 100% of his sealed intellect now fully released, Janemba absorbs Vegeta's real body to reassume his demon form. Drunk with power and ecstasy, Janemba decides to destroy Earth little by little as released villains, citizens, and some Z-Fighters get caught up in the carnage. For some of the Z-Fighters, warriors such as Krillin, Android 18, Tien, Yamcha, and even Gotenks were all slaughtered by Janemba's wrath. Upon reaching Satan City, Janemba manages to kill Hercule and Videl, while successfully managing to absorb Fat Buu due to sensing a strong bond with him. As most of Earth is destroyed, Janemba even absorbs Piccolo (who tried to protect Dende), Frieza (just came back from Hell to kill Gohan), and Bojack (same story as Frieza) before blowing up the Earth.
Happy beyond reasoning with his evolution in practically one day, Janemba believes he has finally became a "Demon God" [not true yet, but he is on his way] and proceeds to use his new powers to realize his dream; destroying all of creation while reshaping in and killing off the kaioshin. Before doing this, he blows up New Namek due to the inherited knowledhe he has, and proceeds to go back to Otherworld for some entertainment. Upon arriving on the planet of the kai's, he kills Kibito-Kai and Elder Kai, followed by the lower realm kaioshin.
Janemba then locks away all of the deceased kaioshin in a pocket dimension to suffer for all of eternity, then blows up his home planet to ensure the death of all future kai's. Pleased with his work, Janemba takes up the title of zen and god, and begins to reshape all of creation (Living Realm, Otherworld, Demon World, etc) to his will and liking.
Thus, the age of the demons has finally begun...
Second Coming - Age 794
After ruling for 20 years now, Janemba is very pleased with his status on the pecking order now. Despite not finding any worthy absorptions since his rise (besides Broly and Dabura, who was found in Hell and Heaven and subsequently defeated by Janemba during his first hours as god). Whie sitting in his new throne in Heaven, he was ambused by Pikkon who managed to evade him all those years ago. Despite his training, he was easily defeated by Janemba who used a low percentage of his power. Pleased with Pikkon's drive, he absorbs him to show his gratitude.
Three months later while enjoying the slaughter of some helpless planet, Janemba was greeted by the Vargas who asked him if he wished to participate in their Second Multiverse Tournament. Interested by the idea, Janemba decides to join to see what the other universes will be willing to offer to their soon-to-be god of creation and destruction.
To be continued... (or not lol)
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Post by Xeno Black on Nov 22, 2016 18:32:07 GMT
Since this story is just a overall view of how Janemba may appear in a DBM related universe, I have skimmed over some details that may have been important to you. Plus I have also borrowed elements that are not my original idea. Here is the list..
1. Aladjinn is not a character I have created for this story. In actuality, he is a character created by MalikStudios on deviantart in a epic doujinshi called "Dragon Ball New Age". Check out his work whenever you can, he is great!
2. When the hellish invasion finally sweep into Earth, Goku and Vegeta (both are alive since this story does happen after the Buu Saga, unlike the original film) are informed by a trapped King Yemma telepathically about the situation in Otherworld. Feeling secured that Gohan and the others can protect Earth, Goku teleports along with Vegeta to King Yemma's office. Plus Pikkon is also there since the Grand Kai ordered him to kill Janemba and free the giant ogre.
3. Janemba's complete absorption list includes Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Cell, Fat Buu, Piccolo, Frieza, Bojack, Broly, Dabura, and Pikkon. He also has inherited all of the essence inside all of the Soul Cleansing Machines (Aladjinn, Jafarstein, Kid Buu, etc). It is still unknown why Janemba has decided not to absorb more people besides the list above, like Cooler or King Cold?
4. Hirudegarn's resurrection was prevented due to Hoi being unable to utilize the dragon balls to free Tapion. It is unknown where is Hoi's current whereabouts.
5. Janemba came to learn about the previous generation of kaioshin's demise after being in Demon World for one million years. He was extremely angry initially upon hearing the news (he thought he forever lost his chance of vengeance), but got over it as time went on..somewhat lol
6. Upon becoming "god", Janemba has either completely erased the essence of dead people in Otherworld, or trapped them inside inescapable pocket dimensions to rot very slowly. For the dead that Janemba liked, they were given posistions to help Janemba govern the dead.
7. I added the story of Demigra from "Xenoverse" to help give Demon World more plot mythos, and to inspire Janemba to act out. Now that I have gotten that tidbit out of the way, due to the new info that has been coming out regarding Janemba and DB as a whole, I cannot help but wonder if Janemba's overall past could have been way more different that the one I have presented (or the vague info that video games and canan has made). Here are some ideas:
1. Janemba was originally a "angel" (same race as Whis and Vados) who served an unknown God of Destruction (universe 13, fuck it lol) until he became corrupted with sin and became a "fallen angel", which led to him becoming a demon who eventually fell into the Soul Cleansing Machine. [Inspired by Xenoverse 2 when they called Jamemba a "angel from the underworld".]
2. Janemba was originally a Frost Demon (Frieza's race) who became highly engrossed in black magic which created him a powerful, true demon body. Upon death, he was sent inside of the Soul Cleansing Machine for thousands of years until being released by the Saike Demon / Ogre.
3. Janemba is simply a collected mass of concentrated evil energy given shape and form. Janemba is simply a by-product of such a natural occurring phenomenon, but is stronger than his predecessors due to being given more ample evil ki. Thus. a "Janemba" will always be created long as evil exists (though each Janemba will have different sets of energy and form upon who they possess).
4. Janemba was originally a regular shin-jin, but became evil before he could properly become a kai / Supreme Kai. Upon being banished to Demon World, he became a makaio before becoming a makaioshin until his death (and subsequent rebirth as a mass of evil energy before possessing Saike). [Inspired by Zamasu].
Thoughts?
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Post by Rafael on Nov 22, 2016 20:04:22 GMT
Bringer of Death universe, Piccolo's Choice universe, Fall of Lord Frieza universe, Break Through the Limit universe, Janemba.
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Post by Son Pan on Nov 22, 2016 21:19:39 GMT
@xeno Gotenks:
I loved your idea for Janemba. This is the type of reworking/modified story of film 12 that could fit in perfectly within DBM to get a cool character like Janemba in it and up his intelligence so he is not just mindless killing machine. His dimension warping abilities make him stand out from DB characters that I wish he was included in the overall story. The idea to tie him to the Kais and make him a corrupted Kai born as an evil god/demon was unexpected in a good way. It totally sounds like something that DBM would do. It even brings in Demon World and politics into it to have it be elaborated on more when there was just a passing mention of it in DB lore.
If I had one criticism of it I think the absorbing souls to get stronger may be a bit too similar to Buu in some aspects. Granted it doesn't cause alterations to his personality as much as Buu's absorption does, but it even then it is still going more depth with the whole concept of how Janemba was created from corrupted souls. I'm interested what would his reason for entering the tournament be? Would he try to conquer the whole multiverse or want to kill all Kais in the multiverse similar to Raichi's goal with the Saiyans? Or is he just bored and wants some new challenges?
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Post by Xeno Black on Nov 23, 2016 3:18:30 GMT
@xeno Gotenks: I loved your idea for Janemba. This is the type of reworking/modified story of film 12 that could fit in perfectly within DBM to get a cool character like Janemba in it and up his intelligence so he is not just mindless killing machine. His dimension warping abilities make him stand out from DB characters that I wish he was included in the overall story. The idea to tie him to the Kais and make him a corrupted Kai born as an evil god/demon was unexpected in a good way. It totally sounds like something that DBM would do. It even brings in Demon World and politics into it to have it be elaborated on more when there was just a passing mention of it in DB lore. If I had one criticism of it I think the absorbing souls to get stronger may be a bit too similar to Buu in some aspects. Granted it doesn't cause alterations to his personality as much as Buu's absorption does, but it even then it is still going more depth with the whole concept of how Janemba was created from corrupted souls. I'm interested what would his reason for entering the tournament be? Would he try to conquer the whole multiverse or want to kill all Kais in the multiverse similar to Raichi's goal with the Saiyans? Or is he just bored and wants some new challenges? Thank you for praising my idea of how Janemba could be incorporated into DBM! Due to being a Janemba fan, I was always disappointed that a backstory properly explaining his origins was never fully revealed to us fans. Thus, I decided to create one for him using what little info I got from him (movie, Buu's Fury, Xenoverse, Daizenshuus, etc). Plus I also borrowed elements from YYH to make his backstory more "familiar" to darker anime fans (three kings, demon tournament, etc). i never truly did liked Janemba being a mindless killing machine as you accurately described. Instead, I thought that him being a demon king with millions of years underneath his belt will make him more pleasing and complex than the vast majority of DBZ villains who only scream and yell (Bio-Broly, Kid Buu, Hirudegarn, etc). After all, who doesn't want a demonized version of Frieza with insane powers and knowledge along with a never-ending ambition of becoming a god lol. As for Janemba being highly similar to Buu in terms of absorptions, I can see the criticism since he is basically a demon version of Buu. Nonetheless, i tried to make it "acceptable" since Janemba has absorbed the entire essence of Kid Buu, who was the strongest soul he had the pleasure to absorb in the Soul Cleansing Machine (which even subconsciously affected Janemba upon being reborn in the material world of Otherworld). That well, I can justify why Janemba was always so damn similar to Buu in the movie! You are correct that the absorbed victims do not alternate Janemba's mindset too much, instead he only receives their collective knowledge regarding about techniques and certain relationships. Regarding about the Multiverse Tournament, I simply see it as Janemba wanting to have some new challenges while trying to conquer the entire multiverse to become a even greater god than before! Plus the idea to destroy more kais while having new people to absorb with interesting abilities is too appealing to not attempt to try. So basically, it all of the above for your questions lol.
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Post by Bartek on Dec 4, 2016 19:43:36 GMT
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Post by snowflake on Dec 5, 2016 8:58:16 GMT
Universes that I would want:
Dead Parents Universe (only Gohan, Videl, Trunks, and Goten alive, possibly Pan, all trained and beefed up) The Change: Buu absorbed Majin Vegeta
Heroic Gero Universe against Kakarot
Cyborg Saiyan universe (involving Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, or Trunks)
Potora Mr. Gotan Universe. Videl and Gohan break up.
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Post by Bartek on Dec 5, 2016 15:14:25 GMT
Universes that I would want: Potora Mr. Gotan Universe. Videl and Gohan break up. The character is actually "Gotan" in the non English version, also why would Videl and Gohan break up in this world?
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Post by snowflake on Dec 5, 2016 19:06:57 GMT
Universes that I would want: Potora Mr. Gotan Universe. Videl and Gohan break up. The character is actually "Gotan" in the non English version, also why would Videl and Gohan break up in this world? It was meant to be a joke about the squicky-ness of your father and father-in-law merging and becoming one, heh.
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Post by Bartek on Dec 5, 2016 20:54:52 GMT
The character is actually "Gotan" in the non English version, also why would Videl and Gohan break up in this world? It was meant to be a joke about the squicky-ness of your father and father-in-law merging and becoming one, heh. Well it surely would make this Pan, think weird about him Ontopic God Goku - Let's say Goku agreeded with god's offer (based on Volume 17 of the manga) and became the god of Earth Future Gohan kills FLapis and FLazuli, met FVidel and they have a badass Pan Goten becames Great saiyaman 3 (most likely than Videl becoming Great saiyaman 2) and Pan becames Great saiyaman 4 Tambourine kills Goku during their first battle, and Piccolo Daimaou fuses with dod to became powerful Dr. Uiro steals Goku's body Ginyu-Goku gets all of Goku's power despite DB being a kids manga/show and kills Gohan, Kurilin and Vegeta
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Post by Son Pan on Dec 5, 2016 22:33:52 GMT
Universes that I would want: Potora Mr. Gotan Universe. Videl and Gohan break up. I'll see your Mr. Gotan with Gokhan/Hanku Potara that made Chi-chi throw up.
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Post by Bartek on Dec 6, 2016 19:35:58 GMT
Funny, i didn't recall Veget being Getatto and Gogeta being Kugeta I doubt potara fusion of mystic boy and boy will be named that way, i go with Gohaku/Goharotto
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Post by Son Pan on Dec 7, 2016 1:43:34 GMT
No way would a fusion between Goku and Gohan use Goku's Saiyan name in it. Gohaku would make more sense.
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Post by Bartek on Dec 7, 2016 19:33:23 GMT
No way would a fusion between Goku and Gohan use Goku's Saiyan name in it. Gohaku would make more sense. Si but the offical name of Dende and Goku is either Denderotto or Kakadende www.daizex.com/guides/transformations/fusion/And yeah i don't mind Gohaku
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Post by Xeno Black on Dec 14, 2016 3:02:17 GMT
If I had the pleasure to create DBM2, I would create a storyline that will incorporate DBZ (movies and games too), GT, and Super into some epic tournament competition. Note: On page 41 of the comments section, Salagir said something to the effect that "when Trunks traveled back in time, he created different [universes], rather than the more popularly referred to "timelines". I would change that notion back into "timelines" so that Multiverse can become compatible to Super. But in that case, multiverse in general should be renamed into Xenoverse because it only timelines fighting against one another, with the multiverses [Universe 1 through 12 in Super] being applying based on which timeline you venture into (if that makes sense lol). Still though, I shall continue to refer these timelines as "universes" to make it appear more familiar to you concurrently. Thus the machine Future Bulma has created is really a time machine, with the multiversal technology the vargas has created are actually time machine teleporters. Here is my list of "on-going / working on" universes I would create for DBM2 that will have 64 fighters for the first round (thus being 32 matches) Note: Again this is a work in progress concept-wise, so nothing is not set in stone yet. Also this sequel to the original tournament happens five years later... Universe 1: Gods of Creation [same kaioshin from the first MT]Overview: After all of the crazy things that has happened in the original tournament, the gods decided to continue to tournament to see how the other universes will fair. Participants: West Kaioshin, South Kaioshin. Spectators: Grand Kaioshin, North Kaioshin, East Kaioshin, the organizers (Vargas and namekians). Universe 2: Gods of DestructionOverview: Upon hearing about the multiverse competition from a vargas, Zen-Oh became highly pleased and created a "team" of warriors to win the prize (while joking to his team that if they lose, their universes shall be destroyed lol). Participants: Beerus, Champa, and the "unknown" God of Destruction for Universe 10. Spectators: East Kaioshin, Universe 6 kaioshin, Gowasu, Zamasu, Whis, Vados, "Angel" for Universe 10, Grand Priest, and Zen-Oh. Universe 3: The AssassinOverview: Due to unknown circumstances, Hit has become the strongest being in his universe, and has never faced defeat or failed an assigned assassination! Participant: Hit Spectators: None Universe 4: The Demonic GodOverview: Read my "Earlier" post above this page on this thread to get an idea Participant: Zen Janemba Spectators: Unknown Universe 6: Tuffle EmpireOverview: Baby (in Vegeta's body) has managed to kill Goku and enslave his entire universe underneath his control. Participants: Baby Vegeta, Gohan, Goten, and Trunks Spectators: Many possessed individuals like Bulma, Chichi, and Videl. Note: Baby Vegeta is permanently a SSJ3, and may have unlocked a "higher" power over the years too! Universe 7: The Super NamekOverview: Upon defeating Goku and the Z-Fighters, Lord Slug conquers Earth and uses that as his "permanent" planet cruiser to conquer the whole galaxy. Participants: Lord Slug, Angila, Wings / Dorodabo, Commander Zeeun, and Medamatcha. Spectators: Many henchmen. Universe 8: The Freeza ClanOverview: Upon exacting his vengeance against the z-fighters upon being resurrected , Freeza briefly ventures to New Planet Namek before reestablishing his empire among Universe 7. He then begins the slow process of expanding his empire to universe 6, much to Beerus and Champa's incompetence. Participants: Freeza and Frost Spectators: Kuriza, and many henchmen! Note: What wishes Freeza may have made, how far his further training took him, and his exact relationship with Frost will be revealed little by little. Universe 12: "Super" Future Trunks Overview: After many years have passed since defeating Fusion Zamasu, Future Trunks has settled in nicely with his new family along with Future Mai. Participants: Future Trunks Spectators: Future Mai, Alternative Future Trunks and Mai, and many others! Note: Future Trunks has definitely continued his training and gain more power as a result. Universe 13: The Space PiratesOverview: Upon defeating the Z-Fighters, Turles becomes even stronger as he conquers his entire world. Participants: Turles, Daiz, Amond, and Cacao Spectators: Rasin and Lakasei Note: After years of planting the Tree of Might, Turles has discovered a way to "tweak" the fruits to his added benefit! Universe 14: The Ultimate AndroidOverview: After destroying Goku and the heroes, Android 13 systematically wipes out Earth before deciding to expand Dr. Gero's ambitions by conquering the entire universe, with robots! Participant: Android 13 Spectators: Robotic army drones Note: Due to the dragon balls, Android 13 managed to wish to "never" rust or erode over time, thus making him state-of-the-art permanently. Plus he has managed to get stronger by installing a "ki absorption" mechanism to forever increase his power, akin to Imperfect Cell, Super 17, and 19. Note 2: Android 13 can now revert from his base , Semi-Super, and Super forms at will. Note 3: After absorbing a deactivated Android 16, 13 achieves a hidden "Hyper Form". Note 4: I hope Android 13 will like this idea for 13 lol. Universe 15: The DemonsOverview: Upon achieving near-total sovereignty over their universe, the demons reign supreme over creation. Participants: Demigra, Towa, Mira, and Dabura Spectators: Bardock, Vegeta, Mechikabura, Fuu, and several demons and henchmen. Universe 16: "Super" Z-FightersOverview: The same heroes we love from the "Super" formats. Participants: Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, and Gohan Spectators: Beerus, Whis, and many friends and loved ones. Universe 17: The perfect Creation God that Destroys!Overview: Upon destroying the heroes in the future timeline, Fusion Zamasu slowly begins to shape many worlds into his ideal image. Participant: Fusion Zamasu Spectators: None Note: His "birth" happens much differently compared to his canon appearance, thus making this Zamasu a true immortal and much more! Universe 18: "GT" Z-FightersOverview: After finally destroying Omega Shenron, the heroes went through many years of peace and training for another future threat to show up. Participants: Goku (a adult now btw), Vegeta, Gohan, Majuub, and Gotenks Spectators: Many friends and loved ones Note: Many elements from AF shall be incorporated! Universe 20: The Ultimate Dragon of Destruction!Overview: Upon destroying the heroes and systematically wiping out his universe, Omega Shenron evolves into Alpha-Omega Shenron as time went on. Participant: Omega Shenron Spectators: None Note: Let just say that the namekian, black star, super, and dark (heroes material) dragon balls got a interesting twist to their fates.
To be continued... XD Edit: Universes 5, 9, 10, 11, and 19 shall not be revealed right now due to them being either worked on concurrently or that I want them to be shadowed in secrecy. And so far only 39 participants are featured in the tournament (compared to my shot of 64 lol). Many changes will take place to ensure that 32 matches shall occur. And that not even making the match-ups yet lol.
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Post by Symbiotic on Dec 14, 2016 8:09:50 GMT
Xeno BlackBoth of your posts are too long to be worth quoting, so I'll keep this brief. A- One tiny little change to your Zen Janemba idea, can absorption as a power and replace it with possession. Helps distinguish him from Buu while giving him a unique spin. B- DBM2 I can't help with, but I know there was a thread on the kanzenshuu forum about just that. Used to be a story on FFN too but it got deleted. If you can find the original thread, it may be helpful to you.
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Post by Android 13 on Dec 14, 2016 14:56:04 GMT
Universe 14: The Ultimate AndroidOverview: After destroying Goku and the heroes, Android 13 systematically wipes out Earth before deciding to expand Dr. Gero's ambitions by conquering the entire universe, with robots! Participant: Android 13 Spectators: Robotic army drones Note: Due to the dragon balls, Android 13 managed to wish to "never" rust or erode over time, thus making him state-of-the-art permanently. Plus he has managed to get stronger by installing a "ki absorption" mechanism to forever increase his power, akin to Imperfect Cell, Super 17, and 19. Note 2: Android 13 can now revert from his base , Semi-Super, and Super forms at will Note 3: I hope Android 13 will like this idea for 13 lol.
I do like it, I also want a universe where 13 won, but I would like it to be composed of base Android 13, Android 14 and 15.In order to make things work, let's say Gero's supercomputer decided to take his time building them, and releasing them twice as strong as they were initially.Meanwhile, due to no threats being present, Goku and Vegeta make very little progress, and Trunks goes back to the future.We all know the outcome, they kill the Z-fighters and then they start looking for challenging battles across the universe until the Vargas come and pick them up.
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Post by Son Pan on Dec 14, 2016 22:40:06 GMT
In fairness to Salagiri the whole Trunks creating different universes by traveling back in time can line up with multiverse theory. It was consistent with DB before Super. With that model it lends itself open for near infinite amount of universes as opposed to the limited 12 universes. I would say you could rework the idea of Super multiverse more like DBM multiverse theory and still add Super stuff, but maybe with changes.
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