Rule proposal: NUMERICAL POWER LEVELS

I personally think Power Levels are fine when discussing them within their proper time periods, meaning everything up to when Frieza got defeated on Namek. Having a vastly higher PL is a feat in and of itself. Power levels were only "bullshit" because the Z Fighters could mask their true level, or in Goku's case multiply it thanks to the Kaioken, meaning they were often underestimated initially. But barring some special techniques like the Kienzan or something, Vegeta with his 18,000 just isn't going to defeat Frieza with his 530,000. It's safe to use PLs in that context. Once you start arguing about Kienzans you've automatically transitioned from PLs to techniques and feats, which isn't too bad of a segue and normally ends with the higher PL winning anyway because higher PL typically = Better strength, ki, speed, everything.

What I don't like are walls of fancalcs for everything after Namek because they stopped caring about PLs in the official mediums so we get tens of zeros everywhere because everyone suddenly considers themselves a math expert where DBZ is concerned. There's no arguing with it really. They have notions that Super Buu is OVER 9,000,000,000,000,000 or whatever, and then people start posting their own math to prove or disprove that point. So if the goal is to prevent THOSE kinds of posts, I wouldn't be too averse for a "Fancalc Power Level Thread" for just that sort of thing, provided it stays in just that thread. If that becomes too difficult to comprehend I personally wouldn't mind seeing them go the way of the dodo.

I beg your pardon?

I agree with Axalon: PLs were a thing in Saiyan/Frieza sagas, so discussing them in regards to those saga should be okay. It's those weird fan lists that pull numbers out of nowhere for Cell saga and beyond that get annoying...but even then, I think PL discussion should be allowed. The forum partly exists to allow a wider discussion of things banned on the main page, and PLs were one of those things. Along with Bra hate.

And if anyone thinks Daizenshuu PLs/modifiers are manga-compatible, trustworthy, and official, I like being able to debate with them

Damn, everyone beat me to the punch and said the main stuff.

Only thing I wanna add to this:
Make that thread the one where you must include your source in every post that states a PL that isn't already discussed about "above." (If that makes sense)

I like power levels. why not have a seperate thing for that, like how dbz and GT are seperate things. It could be sub titled "power levels, and other useless horse shit garbage posts"

I'd post there.

so, no cell saga hypothetical power levels? Aw man.

So are we not allowed to make threads about powerlevels anymore? Just asking cause I wanted to make one about Cold (not Coldyu), curious what his max, untrained raw potential is without Ginyu working it out.

You're just not allowed to put random, arbitrary, numerical lists with 10 zeroes like this:
Goku: 8,000,000
Vegeta: 7,000,000
Majin Buu: 800,000,000

etc etc... Since we know all of those are asspulls or very gross misinterpretations of guides (which aren't that true anyway). And remember, scouters only existed for showing us numerical readings were useless, even at lower scales. Therefore lists like these do not promote good quality discussions.