DBM: Strength Ranking Discussion
Feb 7, 2024 4:40:37 GMT
Post by drewsaga on Feb 7, 2024 4:40:37 GMT
There's lots of statements that don't make any sense. Novel is full of weird stuff. Salagir's old tier list is plain weird. And Gotenks doubling his power makes him go from below Ultimate Gohan to comparable to SSJ Vegetto? Yeah, no.
I'd say:
SSJ2 Bra > SSJ Vegetto > SSJ3 Gotenks >> Ultimate Gohan
I remember Salagir saying SSJ2 Bra > SSJ Vegetto, and the Ginyu-Bra fiasco agrees. I'm lowballing Gotenks to right below SSJ Vegetto, but still rivaling. Not sure how SSJ Bra vs Ultimate Gohan goes.
A huge missing link for me is SSJ3 Goku. He seems to be stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks (His reacion to Gotenks' power up is along the lines of "He surpassed us, Vegeta!"), I feel he's weaker than Ultimate Gohan but no hard evidence.
It's funny when you see how this differs from some canon scaling. Gohan and Gotenks shoulde be at least 10x stronger than SSJ3 Goku in DBZ, but it feels like they were only a couple times stronger in DBM for Goku to catch up while barely surpassing 100% Freeza in base.
I thought SSJ3 Gotenks before the improved fusion technique was already much stronger than Mystic Gohan though.
I do agree though, Mystic Gohan should be on a completely different level compared to DBZ SSJ3 Goku but DBM Goku is also stronger than his DBZ counterpart by a considerable amount I imagine that would close things up a bit.
Also I think Salagir has 100% Frieza above Goku and Vegeta's base in DBM (though it should be by a small margin, Goku and Vegeta are probably at 100M but I don't really want to inject numbers here as this would open quite a rabbit hole for discussion since I can't imagine 20 Years of training and Goku and Vegeta didn't make large leaps of improvement aside from the new powerup).
I think Salagir's old tier list wouldn't be as weird if he didn't change it so much later on.
What's also weird is having SSJ3 and Mystic in the same tier in general (goes back to my point about Gohan and Gotenks vs SSJ3 Goku) like, no, it's not and was never shown to be.
Mystic Gohan in DBZ is way stronger than DBZ SSJ3 Goku and SSJ3 Gotenks in DBZ is also much stronger. Now DBM SSJ3 Goku could very well close the gap a bit but if Gohan has a higher ceiling, this means he is more powerful than Goku and Vegeta even in their new form (though I'd put Goku and Vegeta's new form around Super Buu as far as power goes). I think Base Vegetto should also be weaker than Mystic Gohan (but probably above or equal to SSJ3 Goku) since he'd still crush Buuhan with SSJ that way. But I suppose if Mystic was a higher level then it would be even weirder that Vegeta won against Cell so easily without using his new form. Otherwise why would Vegetto even be worried about Goku and Vegeta "catching up" to him?