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Post by Son Pan on Nov 7, 2017 1:49:37 GMT
I recommend watching anime of Togashi’s work over his manga. His artwork varies in my experience and sometimes it is just plain not good. Animation for YYH and HxH is usually cleaned up and refined to look better IMO. As for the Dark Tournament itself if you didn’t think it was so great that is fine. I only brought up because people weren’t feeling the battle royale format of ToP so I thought of how YYH did five man team tournament bracket system. It is nothing amazingly different and I more compared how it was more in common with DB usual three round tournament system that while more of the same old same old as proven pretty effective for DB franchise. It's not that I didn't enjoy it, I just don't recall it being as amazing as what people have been sayin in this thread is all. So watch it ya reckon, noted. Cheers. I wouldn't say it's an absolute perfect peak in regards to writing but honestly this is DBSuper whom you're comparing it too. Dbsuper is shit. Anything that is compared to it will inevitably sound like fangirling because DBsuper is this shitty, and everything else is just so awesome in comparison. I honestly always preferred the Black Tape saga over Dark Tournament and Shinobu Sensui over Toguro. But that's just me, this isn't even a popular opinion that any YYH fan would say. Perfect writing in a shonen? LOL k. From the depths of my shitty memory HxH and MHA are lightyears ahead of both DB and YYH and even they come with plenty of faults so... I'll take Son Pan's advice then and watch the DT, eventually. I didn’t mean to say you didn’t like it. You just said you couldn’t remember it being amazing. I was saying it is fine if you don’t think it is great (as in amazing not that didn’t enjoy it) You are honestly not missing some super crucial detail that makes the arc the best fighting arc in all Shonen or anything that can only be seen in the anime. I thought you were under the impression that I was saying DT was super amazing and DBS was shit for not following that format. That is why I wanted to reiterate why I brought it up since the DT had a team tournament format that people might have enjoyed more and possibly get rid of some problems people have like Jiren just standing around or fights being skipped over. It would probably have its own problems like every work of fiction of course.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Nov 7, 2017 2:00:40 GMT
It's not that I didn't enjoy it, I just don't recall it being as amazing as what people have been sayin in this thread is all. So watch it ya reckon, noted. Cheers. Perfect writing in a shonen? LOL k. From the depths of my shitty memory HxH and MHA are lightyears ahead of both DB and YYH and even they come with plenty of faults so... I'll take Son Pan 's advice then and watch the DT, eventually. I didn’t mean to say you didn’t like it. You just said you couldn’t remember it being amazing. I was saying it is fine if you don’t think it is great (as in amazing not that didn’t enjoy it) You are honestly not missing some super crucial detail that makes the arc the best fighting arc in all Shonen or anything that can only be seen in the anime. I thought you were under the impression that I was saying DT was super amazing and DBS was shit for not following that format. That is why I wanted to reiterate why I brought it up since the DT had a team tournament format that people might have enjoyed more and possibly get rid of some problems people have like Jiren just standing around or fights being skipped over. It would probably have its own problems like every work of fiction of course. Basically this, since this "all out everyone vs. everyone" stuff was clearly biting far more than they could chew. But we should never under estimate DBS' directives capacity to fuck anything up. Probably even copying that format would end up in something comparatively as bad as we have now. Honestly, even with the current format they could have done a lot better. But this would likely have needed a far larger introduction arc.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 2:08:00 GMT
What's MHA? I am going to start binge-watching HxHunter soon (next week likely) though. I've only heard awesome reviews of it. It appears to be a lot darker thematically than Yu Yu Hakusho. My Hero Academy. Both sub and dub are amazing so you can't go wrong which ever one you choose though I personally recommend sub as the voice actors bring more emotion to the scenes that need it. I guess I tend to say that because if I can feel the emotion in a foreign language and it can warm my cold heart then it deserves extra points. As for HxH the dub is only up to ep72 or so atm, basically halfway. Both versions are great but again I recommend sub for the overall emotions from the Japanese VA. Hisoka is FAN FUCKING TASTIC! It's not that I didn't enjoy it, I just don't recall it being as amazing as what people have been sayin in this thread is all. So watch it ya reckon, noted. Cheers. Perfect writing in a shonen? LOL k. From the depths of my shitty memory HxH and MHA are lightyears ahead of both DB and YYH and even they come with plenty of faults so... I'll take Son Pan 's advice then and watch the DT, eventually. I didn’t mean to say you didn’t like it. You just said you couldn’t remember it being amazing. I was saying it is fine if you don’t think it is great (as in amazing not that didn’t enjoy it) You are honestly not missing some super crucial detail that makes the arc the best fighting arc in all Shonen or anything that can only be seen in the anime. I thought you were under the impression that I was saying DT was super amazing and DBS was shit for not following that format. That is why I wanted to reiterate why I brought it up since the DT had a team tournament format that people might have enjoyed more and possibly get rid of some problems people have like Jiren just standing around or fights being skipped over. It would probably have its own problems like every work of fiction of course. That's the thing, I do remember enjoying it but the way everyone else agreeing with you in this thread is hyping it I was under the impression I missed something or they are drunk on nostalgia or whatever and just needed to know if it's worth me actually watching it to properly understand their point of view since I only read it and you said it's worth a squiz so I'll take your word for it.
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Post by Son Pan on Nov 7, 2017 2:23:10 GMT
@invaderjim
I think it is more of people just not liking this arc and liking YYH's DT arc better. YYH is not really that ground breaking compared to more modern Shonen. I think its strength is that it does all the same old tropes DB did well enough that I've seen more people call YYH a better DB show than DB. It keeps the cast small enough that all the main fighters have their moments, power scale is close enough to each other that the fights are closer, it started expanding some of their major villains enough to gain more depth than some expected that they became memorable. In the case of Dark Tournament the arc itself may not be super special in its format, but that the format allowed to consistently introduce a group of new characters each round that stood out for people and gave them more entertaining fights, while not having them over stay their welcome. It just did enough to make its Jiren aka Toguro's threat level and cool factor big enough to peak interest and make the big showdown with Yusuke an anticipated event.
Tournament of Power from what I've seen from fan reactions on youtube and people on here is that some characters like the magical fat girl are overstaying their welcome or characters like Jiren that they love have that nagging question on why he has just standing around and not doing much. Based on here this forum I'm more willing to wager since more people on here have issues with Super that they are just sick of the battle royale and like the idea of a more traditional tournament with just teams like U6 or Dark Tournament. On a more Super loved site you would likely be seeing more people defending ToP's format.
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Post by R I P I R I U S on Nov 7, 2017 18:36:18 GMT
They probably should have taken a page out of YYH and done a team tournament like the Dark Tournament. That way it is easier to flesh out these characters, allows for breaks to slow things down, enough time to build up hype for other characters, and it gives people one on one fights, so no one is just standing still for most of a match. Wouldn't that cause a lot of fan backlash? When the tournament was announced there were already people dissapointed that it was yet another tournament arc,and that's why the battle royale idea was good,because it flipped the table on us and our assumisions about the arc's title,and it was a great chance to try a battlefield idea in DB without a need for a war or some greater conflict. Besides,if toryama would take a page from another shounen,it would most likely be Boku No Hero Academia,since we know toryama has been reading it. MHA is Toyotaro's current favourite manga. Even Toriyama's reading it?! And talking about other shonens, well some of them did a good job of playing the tropes properly which give a bit of freshness at times.
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Post by Overridden With Joy Yuya on Nov 7, 2017 19:21:06 GMT
@son pan "Basically this, since this "all out everyone vs. everyone" stuff was clearly biting far more than they could chew." I disagree,mostly,but I do think the filler from before this arc was badly used,and that it should have focused a lot more on the other universes and at least give them one or two characters that the audience can at least pretend are strong,or show more of the sympathetic aspects,in special of universes 9 and 10,the first two that were eliminate. R I P I R I U S"MHA is Toyotaro's current favourite manga." At least it's not Black Clover. @genghis Khan "DBSuper whom you're comparing it too. Dbsuper is shit. Anything that is compared to it will inevitably sound like fangirling because DBsuper is this shitty, and everything else is just so awesome in comparison." If you compare it to the competent shounem out there,yeah it's pretty shit. But if you compare it to Z on the other hand, it's surprising how little toryama writing and mentality has changed over the years. Frankly,the only thing that changed is that now there are show that took the good concepts beneath the horrendous ideas and did shows about them.Togashi's works being an prominent example.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Nov 7, 2017 22:43:08 GMT
Z had lots of faults, yes. But to say it was comparable to DBsuper? Nah. At least it followed its inner logic more, among many other things. DBZ, beyond Toriyama, also had better editors and team members than today.
DBsuper feels very "just because". It's very telling Goku Black saga (which was a combination of 2 fanfics basically, one from Toyotaro's Xicor history + DB Ex Apocalypto) was its better one.
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Post by Overridden With Joy Yuya on Nov 7, 2017 23:43:29 GMT
Conqueror Geng"Z had lots of faults, yes. But to say it was comparable to DBsuper?Nah." Why wouldn't it be?It's a sequel,it should be judged as such,and if the reason is the quality gap between the two series,I have to ask you, what's your most hated super moment,from a story perspective,and why? Beacuse I want to show that the gap between the two shows is smaller than most would imagine. "At least it followed its inner logic more, among many other things." It's inner logic in relation to what?It didn't have defined power system,the feats are inconsistent,and so are the limitations of characters.Are you talking about the characters?They were mostly consistent,but the also had lapces of character regression of various degrees,and that caused sereveral plotoholes. "DBZ, beyond Toriyama, also had better editors and team members than today." I assume you refer to the creative staff,as the animators crew is very similar to the Z era,and in that regard I think Super is what happens when instead of toryama having an editor and being the storyteller,he is the editor AND the storyteller at the same time. The creative writing in DBS comes down to: Toriyama:Who has control over everything and you need to get his approval in order to move on.Creates the basic outline of the plot. Toyotaro:Has the most influence over Toriyama, brought back vegetto,SSG in both manga and anime,and possibly is the reason Kale exist,as Toriyama does not remember the movies. The DBS writes:Write the episode by episode plot,come up with between arc filler, that's also get's overseen and changed at Toriyama's will. That power imbalance is,IMO,the root of most of DBS's problems,as an story that is. "DBsuper feels very "just because"." All DB content post king piccolo felt "why not?" To me,so yeah I agree. "It's very telling Goku Black saga (which was a combination of 2 fanfics basically, one from Toyotaro's Xicor history + DB Ex Apocalypto) was its better one." I think Toriyama hates his fandom,an in they made him fell guilty for ending the series,so he made BoG,and them when the time came to make DBS,he just got a pile of files of random fanmade DB material and made that a folder called "ideas". And I'm not even against using "bad ideas",I care much more about the execution,and was even exited ate the Goku black arc,by the end I was laughing but still.
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Post by Son Pan on Nov 7, 2017 23:56:26 GMT
@son pan "Basically this, since this "all out everyone vs. everyone" stuff was clearly biting far more than they could chew." I disagree,mostly,but I do think the filler from before this arc was badly used,and that it should have focused a lot more on the other universes and at least give them one or two characters that the audience can at least pretend are strong,or show more of the sympathetic aspects,in special of universes 9 and 10,the first two that were eliminate. R I P I R I U S"MHA is Toyotaro's current favourite manga." At least it's not Black Clover. @genghis Khan "DBSuper whom you're comparing it too. Dbsuper is shit. Anything that is compared to it will inevitably sound like fangirling because DBsuper is this shitty, and everything else is just so awesome in comparison." If you compare it to the competent shounem out there,yeah it's pretty shit. But if you compare it to Z on the other hand, it's surprising how little toryama writing and mentality has changed over the years. Frankly,the only thing that changed is that now there are show that took the good concepts beneath the horrendous ideas and did shows about them.Togashi's works being an prominent example. I can see where you are coming from. Battle Royale format was the writers trying to spice things up and be different. It does allow for team tactics and surprising matches and interruptions. I do think while the classic three round bracket system is predictable and risks arc fatigue after U6 Tournament it does allow for rivalries and characters more breathing room to develop. Breaks between matches would have provided more interactions between the universes to give them chances to develop the other universes characters.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Nov 8, 2017 1:04:28 GMT
Conqueror Geng "Z had lots of faults, yes. But to say it was comparable to DBsuper?Nah." Why wouldn't it be?It's a sequel,it should be judged as such,and if the reason is the quality gap between the two series,I have to ask you, what's your most hated super moment,from a story perspective,and why? Beacuse I want to show that the gap between the two shows is smaller than most would imagine. Wrong. GT is a sequel. Dbsuper is a filler interquel, since it happens inbetween Buu and the end of Z. For it to be a sequel, it would have to happen after, and it doesn't. The bad moments of Super are far too numerous to cover in a single post, so I am not going to do it. But there are plenty of horrible moments, starting with Golden Freeza, and having to fit it all within Buu and End of Z and not after. This to me says there were no genuine intentions to continue and expand, but to just stall and insert more filler. It totally lacks the varying moments of seriousness/intensity/suspense of Z. It totally does. It would be easier to name the less bad ones, than the bad ones, since they're so skewed in relation of each other. In relation to itself of course. The animator's performance is certainly nowhere as similar. Up until the Goku Black saga, the animation and art of DBsuper was pretty miserable. Power imbalance is a big issue, but this is nowhere as big of a problem as the dumbed down characters, flanderization, forced tension, etc.. Is making the rest of Dragon Ball as shitty as you can the only way you have to make Super look as ok as you can? This is one of the main issues I have with you Dbsuper fanboys and defenders. The only possible way you know to make it appear as acceptable, is to make the classics look shittier. Goku Black saga honestly was not so bad for me, despite the forced tension. It was mostly the rushed ending that made me dislike it the most.
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Nov 8, 2017 3:14:02 GMT
"DBsuper feels very "just because"." All DB content post king piccolo felt "why not?" To me,so yeah I agree. Is making the rest of Dragon Ball as shitty as you can the only way you have to make Super look as ok as you can? This is one of the main issues I have with you Dbsuper fanboys and defenders. The only possible way you know to make it appear as acceptable, is to make the classics look shittier. Genghis how do you expect someone to compare the good and bad of two series if you expect them not to compare the bad of one series with the bad of another? You sound very much like a hypocrite with that statement. What gives you and other defenders of Z being the better show the right to say there are all these problems with Super and the Super defenders can't point out how the flaws are the same kinda flaws that Z had? What makes you guys so special that you can say Super is trash for V, W, X, Y, & Z reasons whereas Z only had Y & Z reasons and the defenders of Super can't point out that Z had V, W, & X problems too? Maybe your wearing nostalgia glasses and hate when people show you that Z is comparably just as shitty as Super. That's what it sounds like to me. Honestly I like Z & Super just as equally and while I like GT, I like it less than I like Z & Super.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Nov 8, 2017 3:32:14 GMT
Is making the rest of Dragon Ball as shitty as you can the only way you have to make Super look as ok as you can? This is one of the main issues I have with you Dbsuper fanboys and defenders. The only possible way you know to make it appear as acceptable, is to make the classics look shittier. Genghis how do you expect someone to compare the good and bad of two series if you expect them not to compare the bad of one series with the bad of another? You sound very much like a hypocrite with that statement. What gives you and other defenders of Z being the better show the right to say there are all these problems with Super and the Super defenders can't point out how the flaws are the same kinda flaws that Z had? What makes you guys so special that you can say Super is trash for V, W, X, Y, & Z reasons whereas Z only had Y & Z reasons and the defenders of Super can't point out that Z had V, W, & X problems too? Maybe your wearing nostalgia glasses and hate when people show you that Z is comparably just as shitty as Super. That's what it sounds like to me. Honestly I like Z & Super just as equally and while I like GT, I like it less than I like Z & Super. Simple, no hypocrisy here: The good in Z far outweights the bad by a ratio of at least of 50 to 1.. In Dbsuper, it's the contrary. All the good in Super was done 100 times better by Z, and all the bad in Z has been done 100 times worse in Super. Time will give me the right, you will see. DBsuper will be buried and forgotten and remembered as bad filler, a successful attempt to stretch a serie without venturing into anything else, by being placed inter-saga and not after. Within the next years, sharing the same fate as GT if not worse, whereas DBZ and classic DB will still be remembered as a huge staple and influence in all anime and cartoon worldwide. On the other hand, your "nostalgia glasses" retort is the pure epitome of hypocrisy, since the only single reason DBsuper is at least tolerated is by mere nostalgia. A mere nostalgia of fans who could never accept, this classic series actually concluded successfully, and with good closure, and for the most part should have kept that way. The fact DBsuper was branded as more official than GT, saying that Toriyama was more involved (despite he was not) is a clear appeal to "nostalgia glasses" as you've put it. Dbsuper has been this: 1 rehashed movie + 1 another rehashed movie + small tournament arc + Amalgamation of two fanfics/comics arc + this current sub-par tournament. Is pointing this out hypocrisy? I do not think so. The fact the "double fanfic saga" has been the most compelling of DBsuper, in spite all its flaws, speaks volumes. This already puts it beneath GT to me. Although GT rehashed ideas, such as "Plan to Erradicate the Saiyans" and "Fusion Reborn", it never became a blatant rehashing of them like BoG and RoF were on Dbsuper. In fact, you could say GT was comparable to a Black Goku saga, except it was vaguely based on previous movies as opposed to two fanfics (DBAF and DB EXapocalypto). Honestly, I could delve into further details and even make a comparative list, but this would be beating a dead horse since nearly all other users like Ashanark , Axalon , Beerus the Wondercat and many others have already done so far better than I could. Z is far superior to it by itself and also by impact. In fact, by pushing Z down you aren't elevating Super any further, but dragging it down further below... as the only thing that makes Dbsuper sorta relevant, is that it features the same characters as DBZ, even if caricaturized and flanderized. This is why, despite what some desperate blindsided people may think, by saying "oh but Z was just as senseless" you are not making Super more acceptable, but even worse, since DBsuper is only a shadow casted by Buu saga (which was already the least good saga of Z, albeit still enjoyable due to being conservative in many other aspects).
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Post by Axalon on Nov 8, 2017 3:50:53 GMT
Although GT rehashed ideas, such as "Plan to Erradicate the Saiyans" and "Fusion Reborn", it never became a blatant rehashing of them like BoG and RoF were on Dbsuper. In fact, you could say GT was comparable to a Black Goku saga, except it was vaguely based on previous movies as opposed to two fanfics (DBAF and DB EXapocalypto). Honestly, I could delve into further details and even make a comparative list, but this would be beating a dead horse since nearly all other users like Ashanark , Axalon , Beerus the Wondercat and many others have already done so far better than I could. Z is far superior to it by itself and also by impact. I'd actually intended to do a DBGT vs DBS comparison at some point...I just haven't had the nerve to force myself to watch DBGT again. That first story arc is so bad. Will be interesting to see how DBS ends its series compared to DBGT though.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Nov 8, 2017 3:55:47 GMT
Although GT rehashed ideas, such as "Plan to Erradicate the Saiyans" and "Fusion Reborn", it never became a blatant rehashing of them like BoG and RoF were on Dbsuper. In fact, you could say GT was comparable to a Black Goku saga, except it was vaguely based on previous movies as opposed to two fanfics (DBAF and DB EXapocalypto). Honestly, I could delve into further details and even make a comparative list, but this would be beating a dead horse since nearly all other users like Ashanark , Axalon , Beerus the Wondercat and many others have already done so far better than I could. Z is far superior to it by itself and also by impact. I'd actually intended to do a DBGT vs DBS comparison at some point...I just haven't had the nerve to force myself to watch DBGT again. That first story arc is so bad. Will be interesting to see how DBS ends its series compared to DBGT though. You gotta admit... despite Shadow Dragon saga was a very good idea that frizzled out pretty badly... it had a quite compelling ending. It almost made me shed tears. Notably Vegeta's words to Pan. For obvious reasons (interquel and stuff) we can obviously infer DBsuper will have nothing like this. No moment of DBsuper has been compelling emotionally at all. Even the Death of future Bulma and the erasure of Trunks' timeline was pure shock value to make the saga DURK AND EVILZ, and only accomplished in making us react with a mere "WTF?". And not the kind of thought provoking and reflective WTF, but a literal, dumbfounded WTF.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Nov 8, 2017 4:00:40 GMT
Although GT rehashed ideas, such as "Plan to Erradicate the Saiyans" and "Fusion Reborn", it never became a blatant rehashing of them like BoG and RoF were on Dbsuper. In fact, you could say GT was comparable to a Black Goku saga, except it was vaguely based on previous movies as opposed to two fanfics (DBAF and DB EXapocalypto). Honestly, I could delve into further details and even make a comparative list, but this would be beating a dead horse since nearly all other users like Ashanark , Axalon , Beerus the Wondercat and many others have already done so far better than I could. Z is far superior to it by itself and also by impact. I'd actually intended to do a DBGT vs DBS comparison at some point...I just haven't had the nerve to force myself to watch DBGT again. That first story arc is so bad. Will be interesting to see how DBS ends its series compared to DBGT though. That depends on whether DBS ends "at" EoZ or if it goes FURTHER BEYOND the EoZ and makes a story after that. I mean if we have to put up with the current sagas prior to the EoZ placement just to wait patiently for a storyline set after Goku takes in Uub, by all means, I will wait until the day comes that we get a new, (better-than-GT story) and one that actually has something we can look forward to instead of cynically stating "Eh, it won't matter eventually unless retcon" (To be fair, I'll admit I have this type of attitude towards the series sometimes).
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Post by Axalon on Nov 8, 2017 4:25:07 GMT
I'd actually intended to do a DBGT vs DBS comparison at some point...I just haven't had the nerve to force myself to watch DBGT again. That first story arc is so bad. Will be interesting to see how DBS ends its series compared to DBGT though. That depends on whether DBS ends "at" EoZ or if it goes FURTHER BEYOND the EoZ and makes a story after that. I mean if we have to put up with the current sagas prior to the EoZ placement just to wait patiently for a storyline set after Goku takes in Uub, by all means, I will wait until the day comes that we get a new, (better-than-GT story) and one that actually has something we can look forward to instead of cynically stating "Eh, it won't matter eventually unless retcon" (To be fair, I'll admit I have this type of attitude towards the series sometimes). A retcon to EoZ or a reset to the power levels is all but assured at this point. Not minor retcons like Vegeta already knowing Buu has been reincarnated either, like, really big power resetting retcons. Goku joins the tournament at the last minute because a "strong fighter", (Uub) is entering. Vegeta immediately calls BS that a new fighter is strong enough to interest Goku at this point unless it's some alien, but Goku insists. Knowing what we know now, either Goku gets reset to Buu Saga-ish levels, or Uub gets some kind of super uber powerup. This is the only logical course that makes sense given just how badly Goku has been power creeped since when he fought Kid Buu. Goku even throws out the possibility that Uub might defeat everyone present, to include himself and Vegeta. Goku later explains the whole "wish him back as a good guy so I can fight him again" thing. The part I have to question is, at this point what does it matter? Even if Uub had full access to his Kid Buu abilities it wouldn't mean anything in the face of SSG/SSB/UI Goku. Piccolo even goes so far as to proclaim that Goku vs Uub will be THE match to watch. Goku vs Uub...but not Goku vs Vegeta? How?Of course...if Goku and Piccolo are operating under the assumption that Uub will be Kid Buu's full power then this means that even 10 years later in the original cut of EoZ poor Vegeta just never got up to Kid Buu's level. This is laughable now of course, since Vegeta could thrash Kid Buu with one hand tied behind his back and not break a sweat in DBS. We know the rest. Goku flies off into the sunset with Uub, supposedly to "protect the Earth". Vegeta of course believes otherwise, which Goku later confirms as him really wanting to fight a fully trained Uub and that he's waited years for this. The worst part of it all is that the very last page says that surely there will be "more trouble ahead", which is what DBGT went with. DBS has for some reason inexplicably decided to run into the 10 year gap before Uub instead...when really just making it 10+years later and having them meet Beerus then would've made oodles more sense. They possibly did this so as to not seem like it was just a retread of DBGT...but regardless of how unpopular DBGT was it just makes sense to move the series after Uub.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Nov 8, 2017 4:44:46 GMT
AxalonAh, here's where I see the possibility of keeping the EoZ while keeping the elements of DBS into the mix. Either the Super DB's (because someone decided to fuck up the wording of the wish) set Goku and everyone else back to their normal lifestyle but both forget the memories of Super and their God Ki powers, OR (This one I am really hoping for.) Whis sends Goku on one final test to teach him the ultimate technique of the Gods (or "advanced" techniques if fighting without thinking was considered the basics since RoF) if he could tap into Ultra Instinct just by "willpower." His test is to take up the mentor-ship role towards someone he has never met before. To do this with a "pure mind," Whis removes all the memories of Goku and his friends of the events since BoGs, the God Ki, and anything else that could remind them of the DBS Series. Whis, Beerus, Supreme Kai... and Zeno I guess? He's got nothing better to do but watch his friend Goku and wait until he's done with his trial... all watch Goku from the higher heavens than that of Other World and witness what sort of person Goku would be if he's completed all the natural trials as a mortal, and thus he takes Uub in to teach martial arts. (Also, Kibito Kai never showed up in the Manga's EoZ, right?) Years later (any number is fine) Whis and Beerus descends back to Earth and talk once again to Goku, first giving him and his friends their memories back of DBS, and then saying Goku has passed his test. Now would be an interesting first non GT arc post EoZ. Does Goku resume teaching Uub as his student while under the influence of God Ki once again, or does he say farewell to his new student and make a new journey towards the boundaries of Destroyer God... or explore the other universes, either one works. Basically this first new arc is for Goku to reflect on his time God Ki-less while teaching Uub and how even in that "boring" activity, he found joy in passing on his skills to someone else and decide if he should continue with Whis alone, stay with Uub a bit longer, or jump ahead and take Uub with him to explore the Multiverse. So, kinda like GT exploring the rest of the Universes but with no peril so far like the Black star balls, and kinda like DBM Vegito taking Bra as a Space Cop and exploring the universe... erm, multiverse. Boy did that spiral down to wishful thinking fanfiction rather than discussion.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Nov 8, 2017 4:50:01 GMT
And this is why indeterminate, stretched out interquels with several power-creeps are problematic.
We'd have to throw 3 entire transformations to the dumpster. Though to be honest, not so much will be lost as they are simple re-colors, and no emotional, crucial moment was associated with them ever. One of them (the most overused thus far) even happened offscreen.
SSJ3 first happened offscreen too, but boy, when it was shown on screen it did have quite an impact and depth.
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Nov 8, 2017 6:23:01 GMT
Conqueror Geng the good in Z outweighing the bad 50 to 1 is a matter of opinion. The same goes for the bad in Super outweighing the good. Sure a lot of DBM community members seem to have that same opinion, but an opinion being popular among a certain group of people doesn't turn it into a fact. Opinions are opinions -AND- facts are facts. Like I said, I love Z & Super equally and upon comparison they have a lot of the same faults. Most people here watched Z as children, so of course we're gonna see Z as something super fantastic where the flaws don't outweigh the good. As adults watching Super, you're gonna be way more over-analytical than when you were a child and nostalgia glasses won't exist for Super whereas the nostalgia of the awesomeness of Z to your childhood self will always play some degree in comparing the two. Nostalgia factor I'll admit is why the various DB series' clumped together as one will always be considered my favorite anime no matter what. I never read the DB manga, but I have read the first 14 chapters or so of Super, but if you asked me what my favorite manga is, I'd say Magi: Kingdom of the Labyrinth is my favorite manga and not Dragon Ball Super despite all things DB series' will always be my favorite anime of all time and that will never change thanks to the nostalgia effect and the fact that it's so ingrained into who I am today. Anyways I think I may just be repeating myself now, so I'll end this post here to try to avoid the quality dropping any lower than it may already be.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 6:51:17 GMT
HAHA the fuck happened to this thread? Hey, Black Clover isn't that bad Overridden With Joy Yuya . The anime is crackin me up. I'd actually intended to do a DBGT vs DBS comparison at some point...I just haven't had the nerve to force myself to watch DBGT again. That first story arc is so bad. Will be interesting to see how DBS ends its series compared to DBGT though. Yea I watched GT for the fuck of it early last year, or was it late the year before, meh, point is oooohhhhhh yea you are gonna regret wanting to do this. That said thanks to DBS you may actually enjoy more than you think....
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