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Post by christhesaiyan on Mar 25, 2018 3:01:13 GMT
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Post by Axalon on Mar 25, 2018 3:07:47 GMT
Conquer the universe for now I'd say. He's not going to mess with Goku any time soon after having witnessed UI. More likely he's going to rebuild his empire and have some fun in the process as he eats the Galactic King as some rare exotic form of sushi. I'd love to see an OVA where he just annihilates the Galactic Patrol in the same vein as the Bardock movie where the Saiyans got eradicated. No Goku around to steal the spotlight, have Frieza be the main character and Jaco be a minor character.
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Post by panthergod on Mar 25, 2018 3:33:41 GMT
He'll most likely rebuild his army and try to conquer the universe again, while probably avoiding earth in the process since he knows goku and vegeta can kick his ass ass with the power they've obtained. Also I don't think frieza knows that Beerus and shin are linked, so in his mind he wouldn't really gain anything by killing supreme kai (Though immortality is still an option since he might think it'll give him the capability to take on beerus).
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Post by Axalon on Mar 25, 2018 20:34:00 GMT
He'll most likely rebuild his army and try to conquer the universe again, while probably avoiding earth in the process since he knows goku and vegeta can kick his ass ass with the power they've obtained. Also I don't think frieza knows that Beerus and shin are linked, so in his mind he wouldn't really gain anything by killing supreme kai (Though immortality is still an option since he might think it'll give him the capability to take on beerus). He couldn't even get to Supreme Kai to kill him even if he did know he and Beerus were linked. Zamasu was only able to do it because he was also a Kai, Goku did it with IT only by tracking Gohan's ki from Other World, and Bibidi was only able to do it via magic. Frieza has neither IT or dark magic to transport him there, and doesn't even know the World of the Kais exists like Zamasu did, rendering this weakness of Beerus' moot.
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Post by Son Pan on Mar 30, 2018 5:59:45 GMT
Freeza gets over himself and becomes Beerus apprentice to become the next God of Destruction. He would literally have power over all of Universe 7. Beerus is basically Freeza who is sanctioned by the god of all gods and mortals. That asshole goes to whatever planet he wants extort whatever he wants with threat of annihilation and everyone in Universe 7 has to put up with it because Beerus is the strongest god and has power over everyone. Beerus isn't going to give a shit what Freeza does as long as he doesn't destroy all life in the universe like Zamasu's dumb ass. Freeza has more potential than Goku and Vegeta and can progress much faster. Freeza can easily be more appealing opponent to Beerus. Neither Goku nor Vegeta will ever take up the position. If Freeza plays the long game once he becomes god of destruction he'll gain greater longevity than his normal life span than can pull a Champa, gather the Super Dragon Balls for complete immortality then have no need to ever find a successor for himself. It puts him in a position where he can get closer to Zeno and find some weakness to him or close enough to manipulate Zeno into doing something stupid, like will Freeza 80% of his power and boom Freeza is the new God of Everything and rules over all.
Even if that doesn't pan out Freeza aiming to become god of destruction would allow him to rule all of Universe 7 and continue to do what he did before only now all the god just have to deal with it as long as Freeza does his job every once in a while, which is basically chose whatever planet he wants to destroy. Who is to say he couldn't just chose to destroy Earth on his first day and Whis just has to go with it because Freeza is his new boss?
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Post by Axalon on Mar 30, 2018 23:59:59 GMT
Freeza gets over himself and becomes Beerus apprentice to become the next God of Destruction. He would literally have power over all of Universe 7. Beerus is basically Freeza who is sanctioned by the god of all gods and mortals. That asshole goes to whatever planet he wants extort whatever he wants with threat of annihilation and everyone in Universe 7 has to put up with it because Beerus is the strongest god and has power over everyone. Beerus isn't going to give a shit what Freeza does as long as he doesn't destroy all life in the universe like Zamasu's dumb ass. Freeza has more potential than Goku and Vegeta and can progress much faster. Freeza can easily be more appealing opponent to Beerus. Neither Goku nor Vegeta will ever take up the position. If Freeza plays the long game once he becomes god of destruction he'll gain greater longevity than his normal life span than can pull a Champa, gather the Super Dragon Balls for complete immortality then have no need to ever find a successor for himself. It puts him in a position where he can get closer to Zeno and find some weakness to him or close enough to manipulate Zeno into doing something stupid, like will Freeza 80% of his power and boom Freeza is the new God of Everything and rules over all. Even if that doesn't pan out Freeza aiming to become god of destruction would allow him to rule all of Universe 7 and continue to do what he did before only now all the god just have to deal with it as long as Freeza does his job every once in a while, which is basically chose whatever planet he wants to destroy. Who is to say he couldn't just chose to destroy Earth on his first day and Whis just has to go with it because Freeza is his new boss? I agree, I think Frieza aiming to be the next GoD would fit very well. Hell, he basically does the job already. That said I think Whis would actually stop him from HAKAI'ing Earth. He loves the food too much. He's already done it once after all.
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Post by Azoth on Mar 31, 2018 21:51:05 GMT
Rebuild his empire/train to surpass Goku/Vegeta.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 14:04:17 GMT
Freeza's next move might be like Piccolo after the 23th World Tournament which was basically just chilling out plotting his revenge and then teaming up with Goku in a few years against the evil Saiyan (assuming there's a super powerful ancient Saiyan in the new movie).
There's not a lot else Freeza could do. He stands no chance against UI Goku, Bluer Vegeta, and SSJB tier 17 who would likely help if his island is endangered. There are only 28 planets left so he can't conquer or wipe out too many without attracting Beerus's attention. I think he'll most likely keep to himself or form an empire from already empty planets.
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Post by Son Pan on Apr 13, 2018 14:35:05 GMT
Why would Beerus care if Freeza conquered planets? He was cool with it before and if I’m not mistaken lower the mortal level would only happen if Freeza destroyed the remaining planets as oppose to conquering them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 14:50:29 GMT
Why would Beerus care if Freeza conquered planets? He was cool with it before and if I’m not mistaken lower the mortal level would only happen if Freeza destroyed the remaining planets as oppose to conquering them. I don't think Beerus would care if Freeza was only conquering them and proclaiming that they're now part of his empire. If Freeza planned to commit genocide and wipe out the planet's population, Beerus would probably get involved this time around. Beerus wasn't in a hurry to get rid of Freeza before because he was lazy and apparently wasn't aware of any sort of mortal ranking. Even then he was planning to kill Freeza in BoG so Freeza probably wouldn't have lasted long had he won against Goku on Namek. Trying to keep up U7's mortal ranking might be a good enough reason to not let Freeza roam free and threaten the few remaining planet's they have left.
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Post by Son Pan on Apr 13, 2018 15:02:51 GMT
Why would Beerus care if Freeza conquered planets? He was cool with it before and if I’m not mistaken lower the mortal level would only happen if Freeza destroyed the remaining planets as oppose to conquering them. I don't think Beerus would care if Freeza was only conquering them and proclaiming that they're now part of his empire. If Freeza planned to commit genocide and wipe out the planet's population, Beerus would probably get involved this time around. Beerus wasn't in a hurry to get rid of Freeza before because he was lazy and apparently wasn't aware of any sort of mortal ranking. Even then he was planning to kill Freeza in BoG so Freeza probably wouldn't have lasted long had he won against Goku on Namek. Trying to keep up U7's mortal ranking might be a good enough reason to not let Freeza roam free and threaten the few remaining planet's they have left. Yeah, but Beerus wasn’t going to help Goku and Vegeta fight Freeza when he came back though. Whis ended up helping them, but Beerus seemed genuine about not getting involved in the conflict. Ideally I think a god of destruction doesn’t get involved unless the universe as a whole is threatened to be wiped out and if the Supreme Kai can’t handle it on their own. Freeza was never a wipe out all life in the universe kind of villain like Cell and Majin Buu. As long as he doesn’t wipe out the remaining 28 planets (which makes less sense now since he can’t sell those planets to anyone) he should be good with conquering them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 15:19:24 GMT
Yeah, but Beerus wasn’t going to help Goku and Vegeta fight Freeza when he came back though. Whis ended up helping them, but Beerus seemed genuine about not getting involved in the conflict. Ideally I think a god of destruction doesn’t get involved unless the universe as a whole is threatened to be wiped out and if the Supreme Kai can’t handle it on their own. Freeza was never a wipe out all life in the universe kind of villain like Cell and Majin Buu. As long as he doesn’t wipe out the remaining 28 planets (which makes less sense now since he can’t sell those planets to anyone) he should be good with conquering them. I was talking about in BoG when he said he was planning on killing Freeza. He wasn't going to help Goku and Vegeta against Freeza but I think Beerus would've taken out Freeza eventually assuming he was serious about it in BoG. Freeza's previous empire was apparently made up of hundreds of planets. I doubt he would be satisfied with only conquering a handful of planets if rebuilding his empire is his goal. I also doubt he could conquer 10-15 planets without Beerus or the Z fighters getting involved.
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Post by Son Pan on Apr 13, 2018 15:35:49 GMT
Yeah, but Beerus wasn’t going to help Goku and Vegeta fight Freeza when he came back though. Whis ended up helping them, but Beerus seemed genuine about not getting involved in the conflict. Ideally I think a god of destruction doesn’t get involved unless the universe as a whole is threatened to be wiped out and if the Supreme Kai can’t handle it on their own. Freeza was never a wipe out all life in the universe kind of villain like Cell and Majin Buu. As long as he doesn’t wipe out the remaining 28 planets (which makes less sense now since he can’t sell those planets to anyone) he should be good with conquering them. I was talking about in BoG when he said he was planning on killing Freeza. He wasn't going to help Goku and Vegeta against Freeza but I think Beerus would've taken out Freeza eventually assuming he was serious about it in BoG. Freeza's previous empire was apparently made up of hundreds of planets. I doubt he would be satisfied with only conquering a handful of planets if rebuilding his empire is his goal. I also doubt he could conquer 10-15 planets without Beerus or the Z fighters getting involved. Freeza doesn’t have much choice though. He can only conquer 28 planets max. The other planets are lifeless now for some reason. His empire is going to be small. Unless he destroys 10 planets for no reason and lower the mortal level I don’t see Beerus caring much. Beerus isn’t exactly a benevolent deity like Kami was. He has always been amoral and lazy. I don’t think it’s really his job to stop villains unless they threaten the balance like Zamasu did. Also I don’t think Goku and the others would stop Freeza from conquering unless it directly impacts them or they are asked to get involved.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 16:14:09 GMT
Freeza doesn’t have much choice though. He can only conquer 28 planets max. The other planets are lifeless now for some reason. His empire is going to be small. Unless he destroys 10 planets for no reason and lower the mortal level I don’t see Beerus caring much. I'm saying Freeza may not have any interest in rebuilding his empire. He may at first but change his mind and become more of an anti-hero. If the goal is to conquer and sell planets then he was to keep conquering more to sell otherwise he would have to keep reselling and trading the same few planets. I never implied Beerus was benevolent. He himself said he was going to kill Freeza in BoG. We don't know Beerus' reason but I would assume if Freeza goes back to the way he was before that Beerus would have the same reason to kill him again. The Z fighters don't have a lot of friends outside of Earth but if Freeza were to threat New Namek, Monaka's home planet, or the Galactic Patrol I doubt Goku would sit back and not get involved.
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Post by Son Pan on Apr 21, 2018 6:18:21 GMT
Beerus is so fickle though. He said he was supposed to kill Freeza in BoG, but tells Goku and company in RoF he doesn't care who wins and won't interfere in the fight instead of killing Freeza right there and then despite it contradicting what he said earlier. I don't think Beerus cares enough to actually kill Freeza or any villain unless he has to. That is why I find it unlikely he would kill Freeza or would follow through.
Well when I said benevolent I mean I think Beerus would actually have to care about the life Freeza would oppress if Freeza starts conquering, but not destroying planets, again. As long as Freeza doesn't destroy life I just think it would be in character for Beerus to not kill Freeza. If this was Cell, who just wants to kill entire civilizations because he enjoys killing people I could see Beerus killing him off for trying to get back into his old habits, because Cell unlike Freeza would wipe out life in the universe and lower the mortal level, which puts Beerus on the chopping block. Goku and his friends would help if their friends are threatened and said friends ask them for help, but I don't think it is a given they will help whenever Freeza does anything wrong and they don't know about it. Goku and Vegeta aren't proactive heroes, they are reactive. I just don''t think it is a given that Freeza has to be an anti-hero necessarily to live.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 7:46:55 GMT
Beerus is so fickle though. He said he was supposed to kill Freeza in BoG, but tells Goku and company in RoF he doesn't care who wins and won't interfere in the fight instead of killing Freeza right there and then despite it contradicting what he said earlier. I don't think Beerus cares enough to actually kill Freeza or any villain unless he has to. That is why I find it unlikely he would kill Freeza or would follow through. Well when I said benevolent I mean I think Beerus would actually have to care about the life Freeza would oppress if Freeza starts conquering, but not destroying planets, again. As long as Freeza doesn't destroy life I just think it would be in character for Beerus to not kill Freeza. If this was Cell, who just wants to kill entire civilizations because he enjoys killing people I could see Beerus killing him off for trying to get back into his old habits, because Cell unlike Freeza would wipe out life in the universe and lower the mortal level, which puts Beerus on the chopping block. Goku and his friends would help if their friends are threatened and said friends ask them for help, but I don't think it is a given they will help whenever Freeza does anything wrong and they don't know about it. Goku and Vegeta aren't proactive heroes, they are reactive. I just don''t think it is a given that Freeza has to be an anti-hero necessarily to live. The thing is Freeza's empire involved conquering planets, wiping out their population, and selling them. I'm sure are some that he conquers without genocide but anyone resisting likely would get killed anyway. In either case, there aren't a lot of planets left to conquer. If he plans to conquer for example 10 planets and sells them, what is he supposed to do after that? Conquer ten more or reclaim the ten he sold and sell them again? With so few planets, it's only a matter of time before he catches the attention of Beerus or the Z fighters. I would like to think that Beerus underwent some development through DBS and now somewhat cares about his universe. The main reason why U7's mortal level was so low was because Beerus slept through Buu's rampage and let Freeza roam free for hundred or possibly thousands of years. If Beerus doesn't care, King Kai or the Galactic Patrol would very likely notify Goku and Vegeta about Freeza. We learn that the Galactic Patrol is supposed to police the universe but they were defenseless against Freeza's army which is why Jaco immediately went to Earth when he learned Freeza was back.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Apr 25, 2018 7:48:55 GMT
Have you people thought about the idea of Freeza expanding to other universes? That's the only possible option.
He already knows which universes to avoid (U6 and U11) and knows what the best warriors of the rest can do. He already can casually survive "Hakais" too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 9:25:17 GMT
Have you people thought about the idea of Freeza expanding to other universes? That's the only possible option. He already knows which universes to avoid (U6 and U11) and knows what the best warriors of the rest can do. He already can casually survive "Hakais" too. I thought only the gods could move between universes via either teleportation or that God Cube thing? I'm pretty sure Freeza is stuck in U7 unless Kaioshin or Whis agree to take him to a different universe.
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Post by Axalon on May 7, 2018 0:36:42 GMT
Have you people thought about the idea of Freeza expanding to other universes? That's the only possible option. He already knows which universes to avoid (U6 and U11) and knows what the best warriors of the rest can do. He already can casually survive "Hakais" too. That might be a risky prospect if he runs afoul of a God of Destruction less lazy than Beerus is (which is all of them). Even a "newborn" GoD, Toppo, could casually overwhelm Golden Frieza without putting too much effort into it. On top of that Frieza should be fairly (in)famous in the multiverse now given that he was one of the last ones standing in the Tournament of Power and helped ring out the mighty Jiren of all people. Every GoD knows who he is, and likely won't tolerate Frieza's shit.
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Post by Son Pan on Jun 7, 2018 19:32:58 GMT
Freeza moving to other universes would make him a potential threat to the omniverse though. It could get him killed faster than if he just restarted his empire in Universe 7. Beerus is one of the worst gods there is and let a lot slide by, but if Freeza went to a universe that had a more attentive god of destruction he is dead. If Freeza was smart he would restart his empire and have it produce more to help the population regrow and essentially force the gods to reluctantly accept that under Freeza’s rule universe is growing, which bring the mortal level back up.
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