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Post by Blaze on Mar 14, 2020 4:01:18 GMT
Going back a page: I love seeing Goten just rush in to help his family. It's a very visual way of showing his courage, and is some much needed characterisation. The third panel in Super is very boring as it doesn't really show anything, and I'm not sure what the second panel is even trying to do. Goku ducking from the hit is good.
Gohan's movements feel somewhat slow and deliberate in his killing of the Jrs. Not a fan of that tiny sliver of a panel in the Super page, my eyes don't naturally lead there.
The original manga feels very very slow when compared like this. So many single pages, and they still haven't started fighting Freeza.
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Post by Ashanark on Mar 14, 2020 4:23:12 GMT
Gohan's pose in that first DBM panel is so strange. It's not very dynamic but it's not very natural, either. Not that it's drawn badly, it's just I literally can't figure out how Asura came up with that position. I've never seen anyone stand like that. I'm not that good of an artist but if you asked me to draw a man one panel after he punched some dude's head off, it wouldn't look anything like that. It's harder to convey power in a drawing than in an animation, because sound, camera shaking, and the motion itself can all pitch in. The art itself must do all the work, and Asura pulls it off here with that delicious Gohan backhand. A very simple sequence of movements, but very effective. Note how relatively few lines there are coming from the hit, compared to Toyotaro's panels. This frees up the panel space and makes the blow itself easier to read. The fuzz on his arm does a lot of the work. Goku looks great in the DBS panel where he's glancing behind him at the Pride Trooper. Having only half his face showing adds to the effect. Videl and Bra are both cute, and their goofy faces on this page and the previous remind me of DB-era Toriyama. It's some nice comic relief before everyone starts dying... Toriyama's had his share of Deus Ex Machinas over the years but he did pretty good for Namek. On this page he has Vegeta remind the audience of Gohan's rage boosts (last seen against Nappa but will come in handy twice soon) and foreshadowing Super Saiyan yet again. For years I thought Vegeta vs. 1st form Frieza was a copout, but now I don't have as much of a problem with it. The Saiyans and all the WTO goons had no major drama with the guys they were fighting, and even Goku and Frieza have little personal stake in their duel. But this fight... Vegeta's psychological battle against Frieza is more interesting than the actual choreography. His ability to trashtalk here is a huge victory, overcoming years of fear. He wins the first round, loses the second, rallies in the third, and gets heartbreakingly crushed in the fourth. DBS has nothing like this, and the fight in DBM which best competes is U16 Gohan vs. Bra. And, well... Pacing is really starting to show for DBZ. DBS and DBM have had multiple fights by now and Toriyama hasn't even started yet. I find it doesn't matter if you read it left or right and makes just as much sense either way. Like that 17 panel with the kicks I mentioned a while back. Oh my goodness, I hadn't noticed that but you're right. Wow.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 4:46:04 GMT
Gohan's pose in that first DBM panel is so strange. It's not very dynamic but it's not very natural, either. Not that it's drawn badly, it's just I literally can't figure out how Asura came up with that position. I've never seen anyone stand like that. I'm not that good of an artist but if you asked me to draw a man one panel after he punched some dude's head off, it wouldn't look anything like that. Yea I thought it looked weird too but forgot to include it in my post coz I got too wrapped up in hatin on DBS :D Let's compare the first page's panel 3 with the first on the second. It's obvious he has tried making the same pose from a different angle but my GOD he derped it hard. Dat right arm is hilarious. Actually on closer inspection, Asura was trying to make it look like Gohan is winding back in after that punch, which then flows into the next panel but again, he derped it coz it was a fairly panned out shot. Derpy as that second panel is I can at least see the flow of the motions. I think the best take away from this is that he got the hands right! On an even CLOSER inspection I realised the buttery smooth asswhoopin that Goten is getting. Right backhander into left uppercut into left knee. Magnafique.
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Post by Axalon on Mar 15, 2020 20:47:30 GMT
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Post by Axalon on Mar 18, 2020 23:54:59 GMT
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Post by Axalon on Mar 21, 2020 4:58:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 7:11:56 GMT
This is the first time that DBS has felt like a legitimate manga and I like it. Feels very Toriyama.
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Post by Axalon on Mar 22, 2020 21:20:55 GMT
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Post by Axalon on Mar 26, 2020 0:31:47 GMT
Two chapters end today! DBZ ends Chapter 295! DBS ends Chapter 33! I am still not a fan of U18 Bra's kick here. Subsequent explanations have only made it worse. Either she shouldn't affect Nappa at all, or if she's supposedly at 2nd Form Frieza's PL of 1 million just by casually walking around (WITHOUT any kind of rage or adrenaline boost like Gohan in early DBZ) then Nappa's head should've come clean off his shoulders here. As for the other two, coincidentally we have Frost Demon shenanigans that end both chapters simultaneously!
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Post by Ashanark on Mar 26, 2020 14:59:27 GMT
Is it just me, or is DBS Frieza better drawn/more detailed than Frost? Toyotaro must either have more experience/cares more about drawing him than he does Frost, even though the two look similar. One thing I was interested to see in this thread was how often DBS and DBZ end their pages with cliffhangers compared to DBM. I've gone ahead and compiled all the final panels of all the pages so far for comparison. DBM DBZ: DBS: (EDIT: Hmm... the images are tiny unless you open them in new tab and zoom. Sorry.) The trick is deciding what exactly constitutes a cliffhanger. The premiere example of this is DBM's #10, South Kai saying "Wait, where's Vegito?" Since this mystery is resolved the very next panel, putting South Kai's panel on a separate page was clearly done to create tension and make readers want to come back. Or, to put it another way: something happens in a page which demands an answer the next page. Action and movement panels often don't feel cliffhanger-y to me. With that as a reference, how do all these other pages stack up? I'd love to get peoples' opinions on this. By my count... DBM: 3/22 (10, 15, 18). Goten noticing the Jrs. and Phipsil talking to Naurb seem to belong on the pages that come immediately afterward, so while the panel itself doesn't seem all that dramatic, the fact Salagir put those two panels by themselves on previous pages dealing with a totally different situation makes them count as cliffhangers to me. Still, 3/22 is surprisingly low, since we know DBM loves its cliffhangers... maybe we'll get more as the story continues. DBZ: 4/23 (1, 6, 12, 23). A lot of action/surprise panels don't count to me because they don't imply a major twist happening next page. Toriyama throws around sweat and surprise marks like it's nothing. DBS: 2/22 (14, 22). Even then, Goku saying "Jiren" (14) is a stretch; one could assume Goku was about to go berserk and blitz Jiren (which he doesn't) but it's not as much of a cliffhanger taken in the context of the page. But other people may notice things I've missed or discounted. What do you think?
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Post by Axalon on Mar 26, 2020 22:19:09 GMT
Is it just me, or is DBS Frieza better drawn/more detailed than Frost? Toyotaro must either have more experience/cares more about drawing him than he does Frost, even though the two look similar. I think it helps that Frieza hasn't changed all that much even with the new art style of DBS. He was always a bit of a leaner character in his final form (obviously not counting him at 100% roided out) and has a very simple design with an almost monotone color palette and no crazy lines or spikes or anything. Frost has more colors overall and thus I think he tends to get washed out a bit as a result, much like the Pride Troopers. Frieza's got his shoulder...circle things that create a bit of a break in his design whereas Frost just changes colors. It isn't as jarring in the anime since we actually can see all the colors but in the greyed out tones of the manga his design is even more meh than before. I think the main thing is expression. Frieza is just flat-out more sinister and this is evident via his facial expressions. Frost is also evil, but he's less sinister than Frieza is, being more of a sneak. A great comparison is this page, from a bit before where we started the comparisons from since these two essentially have their own page just interacting: Frost just looks more...blank here while Frieza just oozes evil. Frost's ears also have far less detail on them since they're smoothed out ovals as opposed to Frieza's.
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Post by Axalon on Mar 27, 2020 23:58:39 GMT
DBZ starts Chapter 296! DBS starts Chapter 34!
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Post by Axalon on Mar 30, 2020 2:51:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 3:16:42 GMT
Huh, good pages all round today. DBM best though. DBM always best.
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Post by عمار on Apr 2, 2020 14:52:17 GMT
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Post by Axalon on Apr 3, 2020 23:17:51 GMT
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Post by Axalon on Apr 3, 2020 23:39:37 GMT
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Post by عمار on Apr 4, 2020 1:56:53 GMT
GOD DAMMIT! XD ...Are you serious? Why bring him if you not gonna let him do anything?!!
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Post by Axalon on Apr 8, 2020 2:11:47 GMT
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