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Post by jbame on Jul 4, 2024 23:42:44 GMT
Back in the days, when Vegito was by far the strongest in the series and BoGs+ hadn't even been a concept, everyone was toying with the idea of his power if he were to transform further. This fight is so memorable because it finally forces Vegito to transform against an exponentially growing opponent. We can finally see just how much power Vegito had in reserve, against someone who can actually logically match him 1v1 (Broly is just a cool guy, people can accept him growing so strong) Obviously, this was written a decade before Vegito went SSJ3 against a random wizard in his universe. Modern multiverse misses the point of what made Vegito transforming such a big deal. Nobody wanted to see him transform to show off his huge power level, someone wanted to see him HAVING to go all out without feeling forced. I think it just a case of the creator's thought process changing as the project continued and made changes. I fully believe when the story started, they didn't intend for Bra to be near Vegetto's power yet. U16 being shocked to see Vegetto go SS2 and claiming nobody had ever pushed him to go that far then later being surprised Vegetto could go to SS3 and how much stronger he was, was meant to show how truly powerful Vegetto really is. It shows Vegetto is the height of DB power, which in fairness we never truly got to see in canon. It probably made sense to keep Bra two tiers below Vegetto. As the story progressed, and they started developing (and changing) Bra's story it started making less sense for Bra to be that much weaker than Vegetto. Vegetto's big fear that Bra will become corrupted by her own power and eventually surpass him has no weight if Bra, even nearing her prime, is still below SS1 Vegetto when she is SS2. I think that is when we started to see Vegetto go SS2 to stop Bra's SS2 rampages. In hindsight, I think DBM should have had SS2 Vegetto was needed to stop or deal with SS2 Bra's rampages but made it a point that nobody ever forced Vegetto to go SS3. That gets the same point across, of seeing the true peak of Vegetto's power, while giving Bra enough credit to her own power to warrant Vegetto's fears later on in the story, and of course Broly still remains special since he would have forced Vegetto to go SS3. That is with the power of hindsight though. Obviously, when this story was being written that Bra plot point probably wasn't even thought up yet. DBM writers should be more mindful of how or when they used SS3 Vegetto. Having Vegetto just flex against a random wizard was unneeded. It's the same mistake that Toei made with Super Saiyan Blue in the ToP. SSJ3 and even SSJ2 Vegito are supposed to be the peak of the story's power, only used against the strongest opponents, but when they show up almost every time the character fights, the transformation starts losing its impact. Vegito being forced to go SSJ3 and unleash his ultimate attack because Broly keeps growing stronger? Coolest thing i've ever seen. Vegito going SS3 against Ginyu and a Wizard just to flex, once again against Bra just to be forced out of the form, yet again to try to kill Buu just to fail and waste a ton of energy? The form isn't so cool anymore, when the character starts using his full power all the time just for the sake of overkill, or "cool form", it loses all narrative weight.
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Post by عمار on Jul 5, 2024 18:31:50 GMT
Round Two: Fight!
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Post by godjacob on Jul 6, 2024 16:20:54 GMT
Back in the days, when Vegito was by far the strongest in the series and BoGs+ hadn't even been a concept, everyone was toying with the idea of his power if he were to transform further. This fight is so memorable because it finally forces Vegito to transform against an exponentially growing opponent. We can finally see just how much power Vegito had in reserve, against someone who can actually logically match him 1v1 (Broly is just a cool guy, people can accept him growing so strong) Obviously, this was written a decade before Vegito went SSJ3 against a random wizard in his universe. Modern multiverse misses the point of what made Vegito transforming such a big deal. Nobody wanted to see him transform to show off his huge power level, someone wanted to see him HAVING to go all out without feeling forced. I think it just a case of the creator's thought process changing as the project continued and made changes. I fully believe when the story started, they didn't intend for Bra to be near Vegetto's power yet. U16 being shocked to see Vegetto go SS2 and claiming nobody had ever pushed him to go that far then later being surprised Vegetto could go to SS3 and how much stronger he was, was meant to show how truly powerful Vegetto really is. It shows Vegetto is the height of DB power, which in fairness we never truly got to see in canon. It probably made sense to keep Bra two tiers below Vegetto. As the story progressed, and they started developing (and changing) Bra's story it started making less sense for Bra to be that much weaker than Vegetto. Vegetto's big fear that Bra will become corrupted by her own power and eventually surpass him has no weight if Bra, even nearing her prime, is still below SS1 Vegetto when she is SS2. I think that is when we started to see Vegetto go SS2 to stop Bra's SS2 rampages. In hindsight, I think DBM should have had SS2 Vegetto was needed to stop or deal with SS2 Bra's rampages but made it a point that nobody ever forced Vegetto to go SS3. That gets the same point across, of seeing the true peak of Vegetto's power, while giving Bra enough credit to her own power to warrant Vegetto's fears later on in the story, and of course Broly still remains special since he would have forced Vegetto to go SS3. That is with the power of hindsight though. Obviously, when this story was being written that Bra plot point probably wasn't even thought up yet. DBM writers should be more mindful of how or when they used SS3 Vegetto. Having Vegetto just flex against a random wizard was unneeded. This really is it here. You can have your cake and eat it too. Logically Bra should very much be on Vegito's heels to a degree (I think she would be even stronger given how Dragon Ball prodigy gaps go in canon but semantics), even before the threat he has over Bra losing herself to her power. Having Vegito need to use SSj2 to stop Bra makes them comparable but leaves SSj3 as the big reveal of his peak power to get the point of him being the strongest in raw power in the verse to this point.
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Post by عمار on Jul 7, 2024 18:35:29 GMT
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Post by Son Pan on Jul 7, 2024 19:39:22 GMT
Round 2 begins! Two legends trading blows. I know I sound like a broken record, but I love this fight.
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Post by EvilXoda on Jul 10, 2024 17:09:43 GMT
Round 2 begins! Two legends trading blows. I know I sound like a broken record, but I love this fight. It's what put DBM on the map. I loved how insane Vegetto's power was debuted as, and the tone it set for the tournament around him.
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Post by عمار on Jul 10, 2024 18:08:48 GMT
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Post by عمار on Jul 13, 2024 13:17:53 GMT
Friday's page. If you look closely, this page will show something wasn't clear in the black and white. Something that will make some of you annoyed if they noticed it. xD Well, it will be more clear in the next page, and if not, I will reveal it.
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Post by godjacob on Jul 14, 2024 17:07:03 GMT
What a shock the fight where Broly seems to actually take visible damage is his best fight in the series. Who could've guessed?
I really hate his Salagir decided his Broly wasn't OP enough after this and made him an invincible brick wall going forward.
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Post by عمار on Jul 15, 2024 10:15:40 GMT
Sunday's page! Homola Gabor really outdid himself in the first panel. Also, yeah, this is the page I'm talking about that may make some of you annoyed. If you look at the last two panels you may see the difference. If not I will reveal it with the next page.
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Post by Son Pan on Jul 15, 2024 20:13:21 GMT
U16 Gohan: Dad never fought in second level form before. Even against Bra. U16 Piccolo: What are talking about? Vegetto went Level 2 to stop Bra's rampage after she went Level 2. U16 Gohan: Really? I don't remember. U16 Trunks: That was the time Bra accidently killed Goten. U16 Goten: Oh, yeah! I remember that now. U16 Gohan: Are you sure? I don't remember that at all. U16 Trunks: Gohan, how could you not remember? I felt dad's power level from where I was. You joined us on that mission. U16 Videl: I don't really see the point in rehashing this. U16 Piccolo: It is just odd that Gohan is the only one on the mission who doesn't remember. U16 Videl: It's not that odd. We were all busy with our own missions. U16 Trunks: Those missions were all easy. Only Goten and Bra had mission that was serious. How could you have been distra.... U16 Goten: Oh my god. You guys were totally fooling around, weren't you? U16 Gohan and U16 Videl: NO!!!! U16 Trunks: See, now that makes sense. U16 Goten: Right! I didn't know you guys were so adventurous. Surprised Pan doesn't have a little brother or sister yet. U16 Videl: Goten! U16 Gohan: That is not what happened! U16 Bra: What were you doing then? U16 Gohan: Scouting! U16 Videl: Attacking! U16 Goten: Maybe get your stories straight first guys. U16 Pan: I really didn't know my parents had sex on that mission. Thanks for that image guys. U16 Piccolo: I hate all of you.
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Post by jbame on Jul 15, 2024 20:52:17 GMT
U16 Gohan: Dad never fought in second level form before. Even against Bra. U16 Piccolo: What are talking about? Vegetto went Level 2 to stop Bra's rampage after she went Level 2. U16 Gohan: Really? I don't remember. U16 Trunks: That was the time Bra accidently killed Goten. U16 Goten: Oh, yeah! I remember that now. U16 Gohan: Are you sure? I don't remember that at all. U16 Trunks: Gohan, how could you not remember? I felt dad's power level from where I was. You joined us on that mission. U16 Videl: I don't really see the point in rehashing this. U16 Piccolo: It is just odd that Gohan is the only one on the mission who doesn't remember. U16 Videl: It's not that odd. We were all busy with our own missions. U16 Trunks: Those missions were all easy. Only Goten and Bra had mission that was serious. How could you have been distra.... U16 Goten: Oh my god. You guys were totally fooling around, weren't you? U16 Gohan and U16 Videl: NO!!!! U16 Trunks: See, now that makes sense. U16 Goten: Right! I didn't know you guys were so adventurous. Surprised Pan doesn't have a little brother or sister yet. U16 Videl: Goten! U16 Gohan: That is not what happened! U16 Bra: What were you doing then? U16 Gohan: Scouting! U16 Videl: Attacking! U16 Goten: Maybe get your stories straight first guys. U16 Pan: I really didn't know my parents had sex on that mission. Thanks for that image guys. U16 Piccolo: I hate all of you. the Bra special was obviously written years after this fact, but in context Gohan likely means that in a fight Vegito never needed SSJ2 to MATCH Bra, and that all their sparring occured in with SSJ1. He used it that one time to knock her out as quickly as possible, much like he used SSJ3 against Brayu That said, as i said earlier the overexposure of his advanced forms is one of the reasons why the current Vegito is a far less respectable character than he was at the beginning of the comic. I do wonder what "the thing that will annoy us" is supposed to be, is it that Broly's "damage" is indeed just filth and spit? or are there very hidden details we haven't seen yet?
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Post by Son Pan on Jul 15, 2024 21:09:08 GMT
U16 Gohan: Dad never fought in second level form before. Even against Bra. U16 Piccolo: What are talking about? Vegetto went Level 2 to stop Bra's rampage after she went Level 2. U16 Gohan: Really? I don't remember. U16 Trunks: That was the time Bra accidently killed Goten. U16 Goten: Oh, yeah! I remember that now. U16 Gohan: Are you sure? I don't remember that at all. U16 Trunks: Gohan, how could you not remember? I felt dad's power level from where I was. You joined us on that mission. U16 Videl: I don't really see the point in rehashing this. U16 Piccolo: It is just odd that Gohan is the only one on the mission who doesn't remember. U16 Videl: It's not that odd. We were all busy with our own missions. U16 Trunks: Those missions were all easy. Only Goten and Bra had mission that was serious. How could you have been distra.... U16 Goten: Oh my god. You guys were totally fooling around, weren't you? U16 Gohan and U16 Videl: NO!!!! U16 Trunks: See, now that makes sense. U16 Goten: Right! I didn't know you guys were so adventurous. Surprised Pan doesn't have a little brother or sister yet. U16 Videl: Goten! U16 Gohan: That is not what happened! U16 Bra: What were you doing then? U16 Gohan: Scouting! U16 Videl: Attacking! U16 Goten: Maybe get your stories straight first guys. U16 Pan: I really didn't know my parents had sex on that mission. Thanks for that image guys. U16 Piccolo: I hate all of you. the Bra special was obviously written years after this fact, but in context Gohan likely means that in a fight Vegito never needed SSJ2 to MATCH Bra, and that all their sparring occured in with SSJ1. He used it that one time to knock her out as quickly as possible, much like he used SSJ3 against Brayu That said, as i said earlier the overexposure of his advanced forms is one of the reasons why the current Vegito is a far less respectable character than he was at the beginning of the comic. I do wonder what "the thing that will annoy us" is supposed to be, is it that Broly's "damage" is indeed just filth and spit? or are there very hidden details we haven't seen yet? It was meant to be a joke. Obviously, things changed from when that was first written.
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Post by godjacob on Jul 16, 2024 6:24:45 GMT
As I said before though it still was stupid Vegito never needed SSj2 against Bra so this is one change I actually support. Bra should be way stronger in relation to Vegito than she was presented at the start of the series.
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Post by عمار on Jul 17, 2024 22:41:19 GMT
Last page of the chapter. So, there's something I have to clarify.... inhauls... Broly was not damaged in this fight. He wasn't injured, bruised, or bled in this fight. As you can see in this pic, we purposely colored the black lines on Vegetto's face with the color red to indicate that these are bruises on his face. While we left the ones on Broly's face and body uncolored. Because these black lines on Broly are just...uhhh... Oh yes! "Burns"! These are just "burn marks" on his skin. Wipe them with a tissue or a towel and he's good to go. OO
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Post by godjacob on Jul 18, 2024 2:17:21 GMT
Last page of the chapter. So, there's something I have to clarify.... inhauls... Broly was not damaged in this fight. He wasn't injured, bruised, or bled in this fight. As you can see in this pic, we purposely colored the black lines on Vegetto's face with the color red to indicate that these are bruises on his face. While we left the ones on Broly's face and body uncolored. Because these black lines on Broly are just...uhhh... Oh yes! "Burns"! These are just "burn marks" on his skin. Wipe them with a tissue or a towel and he's good to go. OO Reading Salagir's responses only seems to annoy me. "Um actually it isn't blood or pain just 'burns" you can wipe away no biggie" like he is a kid arguing that his OC didn't get hurt in a backyard fight but still wants to "sell" some offense.
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Post by عمار on Jul 20, 2024 10:51:21 GMT
Cover of chapter 9 (Ch.11)Well, in case some of you where wondering about the Ultras reaction to Vegetto and Broly fight, here's your answer. xD
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Post by عمار on Jul 21, 2024 20:40:48 GMT
Too late indeed. xD
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Post by Rudeman on Jul 22, 2024 10:29:53 GMT
The colored pages are getting better and better. Gogeta Jr. was a fine artist, but you guys are elevating it's work to even greater quality! Just imagine what you will accomplish with pages done by Asura! Only 2 years left to see it... I hope you will have a strength to go all the way.
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Post by عمار on Jul 22, 2024 13:32:27 GMT
The colored pages are getting better and better. Gogeta Jr. was a fine artist, but you guys are elevating it's work to even greater quality! Just imagine what you will accomplish with pages done by Asura! Only 2 years left to see it... I hope you will have a strength to go all the way. Thank you so much. The Asura's chapters are all colored until chapter 79. However, numbers of his first chapters may need rework/remastered. But before we have to go there, we need to finish the middle chapters (Gogeta Jr. chapters). The problem there's only two active members in our team: ZenBuu & Homola Gabor. Even I don't have time to help them right now. But hopefully things will change in the future.
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