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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Nov 18, 2016 5:19:32 GMT
Wasn't he going to stick in Trunks' timeline/universe because it was one of the few where the God of Destruction wasn't around to oppose him? Yeah I remember him deciding to stay in the future timeline after Kaioshin was killed by Dabura since Beerus would be out of the way. I recall Goku Black being responsible for killing the Kaioshin of other universes to get rid of the other Gods of Destruction. I'm not sure what happened to Future Zeno or Future Kaio Priest guy or they couldn't intervene. What I meant was his Zero Mortal Plan where he wanted to wipe out all mortals. I was curious how he was planning to do that. Out of all villains we've seen, he's like the slowest when it comes to killing people . Fat Buu managed to wipe out the majority of Earth's population in a day (or few hours?) and Super Buu finished the job in one attack. In the time Goku Black was terrorizing the Earth, a team of Saiyan Oozarus probably could've already wiped out all the humans. If the latest episode was something to indicate, then I'd say Zeno would show up... eventually (in the manga I mean). Grand Priest could be like Whis, an angel but it's not clear, if that's the case, who he's serving and how he'd be "deactivated." Maybe ALL twelve angels and/or GoDs are linked to Grand Priest. It's also interesting to note how conveniently Black came to Earth and stayed there for a year when he claimed to have destroyed most of the galaxy, if not universe, already. He makes a lot of food references like Vegeta the appetizer so maybe he's just playing with Earth like he does his food. (Also. Where and what does Black eat if the rest of the humans were starving and eating dog meat? Black is using Goku's notorious food craving body. Where's that appetite?)
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Nov 18, 2016 6:07:42 GMT
I think this saga, as fan-ficish as it was, and despite horrible pacing/plot induced stupidity/retarded power up continuity, it fixed many problems previous DBS sagas had: more balanced colors, better animation, better drawing, more violence, etc etc..
But still, it was pretty badly developed. I really can't add anything to Skar's parody. I wish Black's and Zamasu destructive power was shown better. If we were to judge by visuals alone, none seemed really stronger than even Battle of the Gods saga, where the whole universe was "shaking".
I also was disappointed we didn't get scenes of Zamasu traveling to Kaioshin realms and murdering them, even if it was brief like the Buu saga explanation of the death of previous Kais. They could also have showed footage of them in other planets. Trunks super-powerup bullshit was totally avoidable. They could just have made him enter with Vegeta or even Whis to the ROSAT. They could even have done this off-camera, but with a proper follow-up (themselves appearing going out of it).
Other missing things: Zamasu and Black sparring. This would have served to explain Black's abilities better (it was never explained how the fuck did he become stronger during a fight) and Future's Zamasu current power-level (we also got nothing about that other than 'he be stronger than Present Zamasu')
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Post by Son Pan on Nov 18, 2016 6:50:53 GMT
I think this saga, as fan-ficish as it was, and despite horrible pacing/plot induced stupidity/retarded power up continuity, it fixed many problems previous DBS sagas had: more balanced colors, better animation, better drawing, more violence, etc etc.. But still, it was pretty badly developed. I really can't add anything to Skar's parody. I wish Black's and Zamasu destructive power was shown better. If we were to judge by visuals alone, none seemed really stronger than even Battle of the Gods saga, where the whole universe was "shaking". I also was disappointed we didn't get scenes of Zamasu traveling to Kaioshin realms and murdering them, even if it was brief like the Buu saga explanation of the death of previous Kais. They could also have showed footage of them in other planets. Trunks super-powerup bullshit was totally avoidable. They could just have made him enter with Vegeta or even Whis to the ROSAT. They could even have done this off-camera, but with a proper follow-up (themselves appearing going out of it). Other missing things: Zamasu and Black sparring. This would have served to explain Black's abilities better (it was never explained how the fuck did he become stronger during a fight) and Future's Zamasu current power-level (we also got nothing about that other than 'he be stronger than Present Zamasu') Pissed me off so much lol. Was he stronger than the Zamasu Goku fought as a Super Saiyan 2? Or was he the same? I don't see how it's acceptable he was physically an issue for Goku as a Super Saiyan God* when he couldn't take on Super Saiyan 2 adequately. Sure, immortality. Whatever, that doesn't necessarily make him invulnerable to attacks, just death.
I never understood "Super Saiyan God = Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan Blue. Why not just call the red version "Saiyan God" and the blue version "Super Saiyan God"? It's so redundant for either it's ridiculous /End mini rant.
As for Black, maybe it has to do with having a divine soul rather than a mortal one? Who knows. Goku definitely didn't improve so much so quickly, that's for damn sure. And "It's a Saiyan's body lawl" doesn't explain a damn thing lol.Was he somehow get zenkai again after taking a Saiyan body and immortality let him profit from it like Cell's regeneration let him profit from his near death form his self-destruct did? Goku Black fought other gods/Kais in other universes and every time they wounded him really bad (which would kill him normally) instead let him receive massive zenkai to power himself up. I preferred Super Saiyan God to Super Saiyan Blue. I wish they didn't go with the blue Super Saiyan recoloring and just kept Super Saiyan God around as usable form. The subdue state and coloring made it stand out from regular SS forms and felt divine to me. SSB just feels like regular SS form with different color. I get the reasoning for the blue color as more serene state, but it feels less divine to me.
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Post by Son Pan on Nov 18, 2016 7:07:16 GMT
Was he somehow get zenkai again after taking a Saiyan body and immortality let him profit from it like Cell's regeneration let him profit from his near death form his self-destruct did? Goku Black fought other gods/Kais in other universes and every time they wounded him really bad (which would kill him normally) instead let him receive massive zenkai to power himself up. I preferred Super Saiyan God to Super Saiyan Blue. I wish they didn't go with the blue Super Saiyan recoloring and just kept Super Saiyan God around as usable form. The subdue state and coloring made it stand out from regular SS forms and felt divine to me. SSB just feels like regular SS form with different color. I get the reasoning for the blue color as more serene state, but it feels less divine to me. I feel like blue is probably a more divine color, like you said, very serene, calm color. But yeah, I completely agree. There was really no reason they couldn't keep the original Super Saiyan God form instead of recoloring Super Saiyan. I think that would make the whole power scale make a bit more sense as well. That way when Goku or Vegeta just used regular forms we know they are only using normal ki and non god levels and then SSG when they use god ki and god level. Of course they would had to have gotten rid of the whole Goku absorbed god ki into his normal form bits, but overall I think it would make for a more coherent power scale.
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Post by R I P I R I U S on Nov 18, 2016 13:19:13 GMT
Reading all this is confusing me.
Is SSB = The God Form? or just a lower state that they managed to achieve? Then how did Vegeta achieve it? He had to first get exposed to the god form via ritual right?
And yeah the Saiyan God form seemed cooler since it matched with boiling rage/anger of the saiyan race always battle hungry. Red resonates with rage I guess. Blue does give the serenity of the god but doesn't fit for Saiyan God. It's like, a saiyan has overcome his anger issues and found divine peace. Thus, unlocking more power and potential to reach new heights.(Which is totally opposite to Saiyan nature of this universe)
The God form should be the true 'Anger' of the saiyans. Wish when Goku was pissed at Zamasu he should have gone full God mode on his ass.
The Saiyan kid in the tournament turning SS so quickly was odd. Gohan took time (Maybe i am wrong) Goten/Trunks are exception since their father's were already SS at that time (Well Vegeta was close to being one. Hehe)
Seriously, they should do a story on the Saiyan Origins and how the Kais created them. Just Saiyan.
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Post by Andres on Nov 18, 2016 14:53:01 GMT
Reading all this is confusing me.
Is SSB = The God Form? or just a lower state that they managed to achieve? Then how did Vegeta achieve it? He had to first get exposed to the god form via ritual right?
And yeah the Saiyan God form seemed cooler since it matched with boiling rage/anger of the saiyan race always battle hungry. Red resonates with rage I guess. Blue does give the serenity of the god but doesn't fit for Saiyan God. It's like, a saiyan has overcome his anger issues and found divine peace. Thus, unlocking more power and potential to reach new heights.(Which is totally opposite to Saiyan nature of this universe)
The God form should be the true 'Anger' of the saiyans. Wish when Goku was pissed at Zamasu he should have gone full God mode on his ass.
The Saiyan kid in the tournament turning SS so quickly was odd. Gohan took time (Maybe i am wrong) Goten/Trunks are exception since their father's were already SS at that time (Well Vegeta was close to being one. Hehe)
Seriously, they should do a story on the Saiyan Origins and how the Kais created them. Just Saiyan. As I understand it, there are several forms, and several ki signatures:
You have mortal ki, and then godly ki. Mortal ki is what Saiyans, Nameks, Humans and everyone else can manipulate for several uses: flying, blasts, enery, whatever. And then, you have godly ki, which is what Beerus has and cannot be detected nor sensed by normal means.
Super Saiyan states use mortal ki, and can be accesed by rage or training. Once unlocked, it can be trained for better access and better ki manipulation. It uses the user's ki pool.
Super Saiyan God (the red form) is a form running only on godly ki, achieved by five pure-hearted saiyans pouring their power into a sixth saiyan, therefore granting his access to god ki.
Saiyan Beyond God (the base-form looking one) (Kami wo koeta Saiya-jin) is a Saiyan who has managed to control and absorbed god ki, therefore having access to a different pool of ki. It looks like the user's base form, but with a white aura, pretty much the same look Gohan has when he accesses his Mystic form. I think we must make the distinction: This is NOT the user's BASE form. Goku was NOT in base form when he fought Frieza in DBS. He was using his godly-ki-empowered form.
Super Saiyan Blue is a whole different animal. Super Saiyan Blue is NOT a Super Saiyan form ON TOP of a Super Saiyan God. That's the reason I always disliked the term Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, because it is inaccurate. Super Saiyan Blue is a Saiyan Beyond God who learned to control his godly ki, and then, turn Super Saiyan on top of that.
Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue are different forms, but both using god ki. Super Saiyan Blue is not 50 times stronger than Super Saiyan God, as it is not stacked. If the 50x multiplier applies, Super Saiyan Blue is 50 times stronger than the Saiyan Beyond God form. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is a lousy term for it. I think a more precise description would be "God-ki infused Super Saiyan".
That's the reason Goku and Vegeta can access all of those forms. They can go Super Saiyan 1, 2 and 3 using mortal ki, or turn it up a notch: Saiyan beyond God, Super Saiyan God or Super Saiyan Blue, using godly ki. Vastly different results.
Saiyan beyond God is not their base form either. It looks similar, but it uses different ki, and has vastly different powers. Vegeta in his SBG form would've anhiliated Cabba, as it is vastly more powerful than his Super Saiyan 2 form. But of course, it's also way weaker than his Super Saiyan Blue form.
Blue seems stronger than Red, but not by an enourmous margin. If the manga explanation is to be believed, it is only between twice and ten times stronger (Super Saiyan God Goku against Hit is stronger than Vegeta's Super Saiyan Blue against Hit, as he could only use 10% of his power because he used it against Cabba.
Hope this all makes sense.
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Post by Andres on Nov 18, 2016 15:03:19 GMT
Was he somehow get zenkai again after taking a Saiyan body and immortality let him profit from it like Cell's regeneration let him profit from his near death form his self-destruct did? Goku Black fought other gods/Kais in other universes and every time they wounded him really bad (which would kill him normally) instead let him receive massive zenkai to power himself up.
I preferred Super Saiyan God to Super Saiyan Blue. I wish they didn't go with the blue Super Saiyan recoloring and just kept Super Saiyan God around as usable form. The subdue state and coloring made it stand out from regular SS forms and felt divine to me. SSB just feels like regular SS form with different color. I get the reasoning for the blue color as more serene state, but it feels less divine to me.
I feel like blue is probably a more divine color, like you said, very serene, calm color. But yeah, I completely agree. There was really no reason they couldn't keep the original Super Saiyan God form instead of recoloring Super Saiyan. I think it's because they establish earlier than Super Saiyan God has a time limit. Once Goku dropped out of it, he managed to """"absorb"""" the god power, therefore, having granted access to god ki. That's the earliest apparition of the Saiyan beyond God form. Then, he turned Super Saiyan with still the power of a God within him. That moment was the "prototype" or the most primitive version of a Super Saiyan Blue: a god-ki infused Super Saiyan.
And I agree. The power scaling got messed up after that.
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Post by Veya on Nov 18, 2016 15:07:38 GMT
The "Super Saiyan Beyond God" thing is one of the most hilariously poorly explained things in the series too, it literally just happens and nobody even mentions it, and the fact the physical differences are minimal make it very hard to notice anything is different, I remember when I explained that one to a friend, he legitimately thought I was making fun of him, and I can't even blame him for thinking that, it wasn't until much later when I managed to get it through him by sheer insistence.
Modern DB has this issue with a "take our word for it" line of thought, it feels like they are treating the viewers like babies that can't handle the information or something, and honestly, clumsy exposition is better than no exposition.
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Post by Andres on Nov 18, 2016 15:14:59 GMT
The "Super Saiyan Beyond God" thing is one of the most hilariously poorly explained things in the series too, it literally just happens and nobody even mentions it, and the fact the physical differences are minimal make it very hard to notice anything is different, I remember when I explained that one to a friend, he legitimately thought I was making fun of him, and I can't even blame him for thinking that, it wasn't until much later when I managed to get it through him by sheer insistence.
Modern DB has this issue with a "take our word for it" line of thought, it feels like they are treating the viewers like babies that can't handle the information or something, and honestly, clumsy exposition is better than no exposition. I agree 100%. It should've been much better explained. And the concept is oh so simple: a Saiyan who has accessed and and managed to control god ki. So far, only Goku and Vegeta, after training with Whis.
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Post by Ashanark on Nov 18, 2016 16:19:33 GMT
As I understand it, there are several forms, and several ki signatures:
You have mortal ki, and then godly ki. Mortal ki is what Saiyans, Nameks, Humans and everyone else can manipulate for several uses: flying, blasts, enery, whatever. And then, you have godly ki, which is what Beerus has and cannot be detected nor sensed by normal means.
Super Saiyan states use mortal ki, and can be accesed by rage or training. Once unlocked, it can be trained for better access and better ki manipulation. It uses the user's ki pool.
Super Saiyan God (the red form) is a form running only on godly ki, achieved by five pure-hearted saiyans pouring their power into a sixth saiyan, therefore granting his access to god ki.
Saiyan Beyond God (the base-form looking one) (Kami wo koeta Saiya-jin) is a Saiyan who has managed to control and absorbed god ki, therefore having access to a different pool of ki. It looks like the user's base form, but with a white aura, pretty much the same look Gohan has when he accesses his Mystic form. I think we must make the distinction: This is NOT the user's BASE form. Goku was NOT in base form when he fought Frieza in DBS. He was using his godly-ki-empowered form.
Super Saiyan Blue is a whole different animal. Super Saiyan Blue is NOT a Super Saiyan form ON TOP of a Super Saiyan God. That's the reason I always disliked the term Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, because it is inaccurate. Super Saiyan Blue is a Saiyan Beyond God who learned to control his godly ki, and then, turn Super Saiyan on top of that.
Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue are different forms, but both using god ki. Super Saiyan Blue is not 50 times stronger than Super Saiyan God, as it is not stacked. If the 50x multiplier applies, Super Saiyan Blue is 50 times stronger than the Saiyan Beyond God form. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is a lousy term for it. I think a more precise description would be "God-ki infused Super Saiyan".
That's the reason Goku and Vegeta can access all of those forms. They can go Super Saiyan 1, 2 and 3 using mortal ki, or turn it up a notch: Saiyan beyond God, Super Saiyan God or Super Saiyan Blue, using godly ki. Vastly different results.
Saiyan beyond God is not their base form either. It looks similar, but it uses different ki, and has vastly different powers. Vegeta in his SBG form would've anhiliated Cabba, as it is vastly more powerful than his Super Saiyan 2 form. But of course, it's also way weaker than his Super Saiyan Blue form.
Blue seems stronger than Red, but not by an enourmous margin. If the manga explanation is to be believed, it is only between twice and ten times stronger (Super Saiyan God Goku against Hit is stronger than Vegeta's Super Saiyan Blue against Hit, as he could only use 10% of his power because he used it against Cabba.
Quoting because I can't hit 'like' it twice. The thing is, god ki is a great concept. Unfortunately Toriyama/Toei haven't gotten writers good at worldbuilding to really flesh it out and think it through. Back when I first saw Battle of Gods, my initial impression was that god ki didn't necessarily make you stronger, it just made you immune to regular energy. No amount of training could ever let you beat a god; a guy could be U4 Buu levels and not be able to scratch Beerus merely because the god ki would ignore his energy. My original idea was that Beerus was only about Perfect Cell level if you took away his god ki, because Goku, once he went through the God ritual, could give him a fight as a mastered Super Saiyan. This was just my headcanon for a few years. Once RoF came out and we saw that Frieza could beat up SSB Saiyans, it seems like god ki became just another generic power-up. If you can hit hard enough, god ki is really no different to fight than regular ki. I'd much rather Frieza have gone through a god ritual himself, because it would've preserved the mystique of god ki. As it is, god ki is now an excuse for "we can have whoever we want be able to fight whomever we want and not have to explain why." The creators don't really want to explain anything because god ki is a plot device to them, not worldbuilding. I agree with @thatguy . I wish they'd named the red-haired form Saiyan God, and the blue-haired form Super Saiyan God.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Nov 18, 2016 16:41:02 GMT
What would have made more sense is to completely ignore the form Saiyan beyond God and just simply state the user has better Ki control and is able to tap into the usage of God Ki. Or state instead of absorbing God Ki after Dropping Red, just say Goku's current amount of Ki converted to God form and in BoG, it's able to "sense" another being with God Ki, making Goku's battle during SS a "bit" easier. Andres Oh shit it turns out I just "copied" your wording. Lol.
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Post by R I P I R I U S on Nov 18, 2016 17:13:19 GMT
Reading all this is confusing me.
Hope this all makes sense.Thanks Andres ! What about Vegeta's form? (I should probably go check myself) He was never shown going thru the God Ki ritual. Also, Gohan's Mystic Form could be just 1% of the Base form God Ki? That put him at his max power between Mortal and God KI. But since not being a pure saiyan, he couldn't acheive the Saiyan God form. (Well since DBS came in we gotta make connections to DBZ too)
Golden Frieza was BS. Where Cooler lost to a SS 1 here Frieza immediately rushed to challenge Goku on attaining the new form and was able to stay on par with him.
XD Looking at Cooler's and Frieza's augmented forms, i guess if they had the chance they would make King Cold's augmentation a cross between the too. LOL
Are we looking forward to another sequel to DBZ after several years once DBS ends? Or maybe a sequel to DBS with SSB3 and add some Janemba type villain to threaten the gods.
Also, @skar I enjoyed your parody!
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Post by Veya on Nov 18, 2016 17:38:47 GMT
What about Vegeta's form? (I should probably go check myself) He was never shown going thru the God Ki ritual. Also, Gohan's Mystic Form could be just 1% of the Base form God Ki? That put him at his max power between Mortal and God KI. But since not being a pure saiyan, he couldn't acheive the Saiyan God form. (Well since DBS came in we gotta make connections to DBZ too)It was stated that Vegeta gained God ki by training, since he was training with Whis, it is possible Whis has a form of specialized training that can awaken God ki in people, but not much is said besides that. As for Mystic Form/Potential Unleashed being related to Saiyan Beyond God, it is possible, but we have no official statements on that, so it would be pure speculation.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Nov 18, 2016 17:59:37 GMT
What about Vegeta's form? (I should probably go check myself) He was never shown going thru the God Ki ritual. Also, Gohan's Mystic Form could be just 1% of the Base form God Ki? That put him at his max power between Mortal and God KI. But since not being a pure saiyan, he couldn't acheive the Saiyan God form. (Well since DBS came in we gotta make connections to DBZ too)It was stated that Vegeta gained God ki by training, since he was training with Whis, it is possible Whis has a form of specialized training that can awaken God ki in people, but not much is said besides that. As for Mystic Form/Potential Unleashed being related to Saiyan Beyond God, it is possible, but we have no official statements on that, so it would be pure speculation. I thought Vegeta got SSBlue because of close proximity/training with a God? 6 months of being near Whis seems enough to absorb nearby God Ki. Trunks even supports this. His short time training with Vegeta (Blue) allowed his new form to have a tiny taste of God Ki. (Later he said witnessing Vegito's fight "What power" which only works if Trunks has God Ki inorder to sense Vegito Blue's God ki.)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 18:03:08 GMT
But still, it was pretty badly developed. I really can't add anything to Skar's parody. I wish Black's and Zamasu destructive power was shown better. If we were to judge by visuals alone, none seemed really stronger than even Battle of the Gods saga, where the whole universe was "shaking". My favorite fight scene in DBS so far was Beerus vs Champa in the manga. It was only a few pages but it was one of the most epic displays of destructive power in the entire franchise IMO. Beerus and Champa were going at it in space and destroying several planets with the force of their physical attacks. It really shows how fearsome these characters compared to the previous threats when they're capable of such speeds and destructive. I don't remember this scene being shown in the anime which is a shame because it probably would've been more entertaining than all the other fights we've seen. Hope this all makes sense. [/font][/quote] Great analysis as always! Something interesting I remember is during the Jump Festa convention in December 2014, they mentioned that Goku doesn't become a SSJ in the movie. The movie was still in production at the time so sometime between December and April when the movie was released, they changed their minds and came up with SSJB. My guess is that they realized SSJ was too iconic of a transformation to do away with completely so they decided to bring it back. If they brought back the blonde SSJ, they may have been worried that it might confuse fans whether it was stronger or weaker than SSJG so they decided to change the hair color to differentiate it and call it a "SSJ with the power of SSJG". Even then it was still confusing because we saw a partially God ki-infused SSJ at the end of BoG. Maybe the in-universe explanation is that mastering God ki replacing the normal SSJ with SSJB. In BoG: Normal Base < normal SSJ1-3 pre-God ritual < SSJG <= Post-God ritual Base (Saiyan beyond God) < God ki-infused SSJ or Normal Base < normal SSJ1-3 pre-God ritual < Post-God ritual Base < SSJG <=God ki-infused SSJ In RoF: Normal Base < Saiyan Beyond God < SSJB During the Champa saga, they introduced normal SSJ again. I'm not sure how well-received SSJB was in Japan but that may have caused them to decide to bring back blonde SSJ since it was still a fan favorite. That made things more confusing because it wasn't really clear if it was just the regular SSJ or the God-ki infused SSJ we saw in BoG. I'm assuming it's the regular SSJ since Cabba never turned SSJ before but was able to put up some fight when he first transformed. Champa saga (anime): Normal Base < normal SSJ < Saiyan Beyond God < SSJB Champa saga (manga): Normal Base < Normal SSJ < Saiyan Beyond God < SSJG (Goku used it against Hit) < SSJB During the Goku Black saga, it looks they decided to bring back SSJ2 and SSJ3. Maybe it's yet again fan service to appeal to the fans who missed those forms. Normal Base < normal SSJ < SSJ2 < SSJ3 < Saiyan Beyond God < SSJB I think that's how it is. Power scaling is all over the place in DBS so I could be wrong here .
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Post by Veya on Nov 18, 2016 18:04:59 GMT
It was stated that Vegeta gained God ki by training, since he was training with Whis, it is possible Whis has a form of specialized training that can awaken God ki in people, but not much is said besides that. As for Mystic Form/Potential Unleashed being related to Saiyan Beyond God, it is possible, but we have no official statements on that, so it would be pure speculation. I thought Vegeta got SSBlue because of close proximity/training with a God? 6 months of being near Whis seems enough to absorb nearby God Ki. Trunks even supports this. His short time training with Vegeta (Blue) allowed his new form to have a tiny taste of God Ki. (Later he said witnessing Vegito's fight "What power" which only works if Trunks has God Ki inorder to sense Vegito Blue's God ki.) Again, I am going off what was stated, it is possible that you are right, and the idea that proximity to godly beings makes it easier to attain the same power adds up, but it is pure speculation.
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Post by Android 13 on Nov 18, 2016 21:24:53 GMT
Guys, if no one has yet posted it: Apperently there's a new arc comingAnd I though it had ended for good. I guess as long as there is money to be made, they will always do it.Can't wait to see what that "Dragon Ball Room" will do for the series.
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Post by Archon on Nov 18, 2016 21:25:17 GMT
I think this saga, as fan-ficish as it was, and despite horrible pacing/plot induced stupidity/retarded power up continuity, it fixed many problems previous DBS sagas had: more balanced colors, better animation, better drawing, more violence, etc etc.. But still, it was pretty badly developed. I really can't add anything to Skar's parody. I wish Black's and Zamasu destructive power was shown better. If we were to judge by visuals alone, none seemed really stronger than even Battle of the Gods saga, where the whole universe was "shaking". I also was disappointed we didn't get scenes of Zamasu traveling to Kaioshin realms and murdering them, even if it was brief like the Buu saga explanation of the death of previous Kais. They could also have showed footage of them in other planets. Trunks super-powerup bullshit was totally avoidable. They could just have made him enter with Vegeta or even Whis to the ROSAT. They could even have done this off-camera, but with a proper follow-up (themselves appearing going out of it). Other missing things: Zamasu and Black sparring. This would have served to explain Black's abilities better (it was never explained how the fuck did he become stronger during a fight) and Future's Zamasu current power-level (we also got nothing about that other than 'he be stronger than Present Zamasu') This is one of the main reasons why I disliked having Beerus be so much stronger than everyone else etc. Because we all know that once Goku reaches Beerus' plane of power the fight will epic as hell. So when we see someone not nearly as strong as Beerus be the 'new bad guy' it feels like it's just an time waste or something. "Why should I be amazed by this fight between some lowly Kai and Goku when Goku vs Beerus at full power will be much more awesome?" It's like padding before the main event. The only reason Zamasu and others did as good/bad as they did was because of plot armor or plot powerups. Felt fake and forced. Guys, if no one has yet posted it: Apperently there's a new arc comingAnd I though it had ended for good. I guess as long as there is money to be made, they will always do it.Can't wait to see what that "Dragon Ball Room" will do for the series. The silouette reminds me of either Cell or Hit. But who knows if it is one of them.
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Post by Ashanark on Nov 18, 2016 21:46:35 GMT
Guys, if no one has yet posted it: Apperently there's a new arc comingAnd I though it had ended for good. I guess as long as there is money to be made, they will always do it.Can't wait to see what that "Dragon Ball Room" will do for the series. The silouette reminds me of either Cell or Hit. But who knows if it is one of them. It's clearly Hit. It's got the collar and head shape. The thing that interests me most is who's paid Hit to kill Goku. I hope we get some good intrigue and that it isn't something stupid like Champa. Also, this is building off a foreshadowing given earlier. Goku forfeited against Hit once he learned that Hit can't fight at his best unless he's fighting to kill. We should at least get a good fight out of this upcoming saga.
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