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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 16, 2016 23:06:36 GMT
1> I was also happy to see they brought hte Mafuuba back, i was betting they'd fuse into Gogeta... 2> I guess this was one of the old Rage boosts... only trunks was able to hold on to it and stand his ground for a WAY longer time. 3>Yep. underused characters are underused, altough i'm happy i wont see gotenks again... 4>Meh, The whole pilaf gang is pointless to me... Mais is only getting more attention due to the future's version thing with trunks. 5>Noticed that too... but that happened before several times. 6> that was funny, buit also ridiculously stupid she wouldnt understand the timelines thing when se was all "Oh my goten died", Also i thought Gohan was going to get out of his lethargy and do something for once. 7> maybe Gowasu is somewhat powerless in the martial sense, he was the Zamasu's master for all matters that the Kaioshin attend, not necessarily fighting, but with Beerus and Whis they might work a way to influence the battle without violating the rules that are in place to regulate the god's activity... There's always Zeno... Bonus > Use of spoiler tags is tiring... the topic has a huge spoiler warning on the title anyway.For Kami's and Popo's grace, thanks for noticing that (it was the whole point of it you know, so people wouldn't have to hide every third or second post under a rug)
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Post by The Masterman on Oct 23, 2016 22:14:03 GMT
So if Zamasu and an alternate version of himself do it, is it masturbation or incest?
And does Zamasu seem like the kind of guy who would since he hates everyone else? Or do you think another Zamasu having Goku's body is enough to make him hesitant?
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Post by Archon on Oct 23, 2016 22:31:14 GMT
So if Zamasu and an alternate version of himself do it, is it masturbation or incest? And does Zamasu seem like the kind of guy who would since he hates everyone else? Or do you think another Zamasu having Goku's body is enough to make him hesitant? Neither. There is a term called Selfcest. Take caution with that curiosity however lol I don't think he even considers that honestly. Most Kai's don't have the same mindset as human kind especially the higher ups. King Kai and Grand Kai both had their quirks which were fairly human. King Kai liked cars and making jokes. Grand Kai was a punk rocker/biker that liked jamming to good tunes etc. Supreme Kai, Kibito and from the little we've seen of Gowasu they're all pretty formal. Even how they talk is somewhat "holier than thou" (not in a bad way though) Old Kai is the only exception to this since he is like Master Roshi. However that could be a result of him fusing with the old woman. So he became more human-like.
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Post by The Masterman on Oct 23, 2016 22:39:25 GMT
So if Zamasu and an alternate version of himself do it, is it masturbation or incest? And does Zamasu seem like the kind of guy who would since he hates everyone else? Or do you think another Zamasu having Goku's body is enough to make him hesitant? Neither. There is a term called Selfcest. Take caution with that curiosity however lol I don't think he even considers that honestly. Most Kai's don't have the same mindset as human kind especially the higher ups. King Kai and Grand Kai both had their quirks which were fairly human. King Kai liked cars and making jokes. Grand Kai was a punk rocker/biker that liked jamming to good tunes etc. Supreme Kai, Kibito and from the little we've seen of Gowasu they're all pretty formal. Even how they talk is somewhat "holier than thou" (not in a bad way though) Old Kai is the only exception to this since he is like Master Roshi. However that could be a result of him fusing with the old woman. So he became more human-like. True but Zamasu does have some ungod like interests though and plus you never know, until Goku Black showed up he had never met a perfect being with the same thought on humans before.
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Post by Archon on Oct 23, 2016 22:46:18 GMT
Neither. There is a term called Selfcest. Take caution with that curiosity however lol I don't think he even considers that honestly. Most Kai's don't have the same mindset as human kind especially the higher ups. King Kai and Grand Kai both had their quirks which were fairly human. King Kai liked cars and making jokes. Grand Kai was a punk rocker/biker that liked jamming to good tunes etc. Supreme Kai, Kibito and from the little we've seen of Gowasu they're all pretty formal. Even how they talk is somewhat "holier than thou" (not in a bad way though) Old Kai is the only exception to this since he is like Master Roshi. However that could be a result of him fusing with the old woman. So he became more human-like. True but Zamasu does have some ungod like interests though and plus you never know, until Goku Black showed up he had never met a perfect being with the same thought on humans before. Eh I wouldn't neccesarily call his interest in killing the humans the same thing as just liking cars and humor. To him killing humans is more like a requirement. A duty he must perform. It's more of a mindset thing and the mannerisms. Take Old Kai for instance. He's constantly reading nude mags/comedy mags during the power up of Gohan he has a more lax personality where, while he can be very serious, is more likely to goof off. Supreme Kai is almost always serious (and I mean straight edge follow the rules serious) he can laugh and show emotion other than just stoic poise but almost always tries to remain professional. It'd be like you on the job vs you off the job (although who knows you might mess around at work )
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Post by Veya on Oct 24, 2016 10:53:53 GMT
Neither. There is a term called Selfcest. Take caution with that curiosity however lol I will argue since sex is a bit more... physical of an action, it would be good ol' plain gay sex, with no special strings or labels attached, unless you want to argue it is godly gay sex. From an emotional attraction point of view, it would either be a selfcestuous attraction, or plain old narcisism, depends how you look at it The real question is... who is the top and who is the bottom? I want to say that Black is the top because his hunger for power would lead to a more dominant personality overall, as well as Zamasu's "immortal body" would allow Black to be as rough as he wants, but who knows, maybe Black is a bit more of a power bottom.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 24, 2016 14:53:55 GMT
Neither. There is a term called Selfcest. Take caution with that curiosity however lol I will argue since sex is a bit more... physical of an action, it would be good ol' plain gay sex, with no special strings or labels attached, unless you want to argue it is godly gay sex. From an emotional attraction point of view, it would either be a selfcestuous attraction, or plain old narcisism, depends how you look at it The real question is... who is the top and who is the bottom? I want to say that Black is the top because his hunger for power would lead to a more dominant personality overall, as well as Zamasu's "immortal body" would allow Black to be as rough as he wants, but who knows, maybe Black is a bit more of a power bottom. I'd say Black would be bottom cuz he wants "all the damage" and he'd let others pound him for it.
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Post by The Masterman on Oct 24, 2016 15:00:31 GMT
I will argue since sex is a bit more... physical of an action, it would be good ol' plain gay sex, with no special strings or labels attached, unless you want to argue it is godly gay sex. From an emotional attraction point of view, it would either be a selfcestuous attraction, or plain old narcisism, depends how you look at it The real question is... who is the top and who is the bottom? I want to say that Black is the top because his hunger for power would lead to a more dominant personality overall, as well as Zamasu's "immortal body" would allow Black to be as rough as he wants, but who knows, maybe Black is a bit more of a power bottom. I'd say Black would be bottom cuz he wants "all the damage" and he'd let others pound him for it. Yeah Immortal Zamasu seems like an aggressive top/dom. While Goku Black seems more like a switcher, able to be both dom and sub.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 24, 2016 15:05:07 GMT
I'd say Black would be bottom cuz he wants "all the damage" and he'd let others pound him for it. Yeah Immortal Zamasu seems like an aggressive top/dom. While Goku Black seems more like a switcher, able to be both dom and sub. Zamasu asserts his dominance. Black receives damage. At what point would the mods tell us off for this? Lol.
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Post by Ashanark on Oct 24, 2016 15:09:07 GMT
Okay guys. Let's get back on topic here. EDIT: Or rather, a different on-topic topic.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 24, 2016 15:13:07 GMT
Okay guys. Let's get back on topic here. Okay Ashanark-sama. If Vegeta said "you're just borrowing the vessel" then how could Black have better control than when Ginyu did it? And how could Black transform if his Zamasu mind didn't match the Saiyan body?
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Post by Archon on Oct 24, 2016 15:28:04 GMT
Okay guys. Let's get back on topic here. Okay Ashanark-sama. If Vegeta said "you're just borrowing the vessel" then how could Black have better control than when Ginyu did it? And how could Black transform if his Zamasu mind didn't match the Saiyan body? As to the Ginyu part. Black had probably had the body for multiple years so he got used to it. Similar to how Ginyu would have. Also think Baby from GT. He could make Vegeta's body go super saiyan even though he wasn't a saiyan. Slightly different situation yes but close enough.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 24, 2016 15:39:19 GMT
Okay Ashanark-sama. If Vegeta said "you're just borrowing the vessel" then how could Black have better control than when Ginyu did it? And how could Black transform if his Zamasu mind didn't match the Saiyan body? As to the Ginyu part. Black had probably had the body for multiple years so he got used to it. Similar to how Ginyu would have. Also think Baby from GT. He could make Vegeta's body go super saiyan even though he wasn't a saiyan. Slightly different situation yes but close enough. Black's body was about the same time as main timeline Goku's. Diverged when Zamasu fought Goku... Wait... Did Black travel to the future timeline but same year or did he go to the future timeline 17years from the present? 17 years experience vs less than a year experience... Yeah that makes sense, Baby able to make Vegeta's bod go SS.
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Post by The Masterman on Oct 24, 2016 15:48:07 GMT
Okay Ashanark-sama. If Vegeta said "you're just borrowing the vessel" then how could Black have better control than when Ginyu did it? And how could Black transform if his Zamasu mind didn't match the Saiyan body? As to the Ginyu part. Black had probably had the body for multiple years so he got used to it. Similar to how Ginyu would have. Also think Baby from GT. He could make Vegeta's body go super saiyan even though he wasn't a saiyan. Slightly different situation yes but close enough. Also remember Goku Black has access to the super db's which he could use to synch up better with his new body.
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Post by Archon on Oct 24, 2016 16:08:38 GMT
As to the Ginyu part. Black had probably had the body for multiple years so he got used to it. Similar to how Ginyu would have. Also think Baby from GT. He could make Vegeta's body go super saiyan even though he wasn't a saiyan. Slightly different situation yes but close enough. Also remember Goku Black has access to the super db's which he could use to synch up better with his new body. Had access to. They said they destroyed them after the wish for the body of Goku and Zamasu's immortality. While possible they used it a third time wouldn't the Super DBs have a waiting period too? If so that waiting period could have been all Black needed to get used to the body.
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Post by The Masterman on Oct 24, 2016 16:10:22 GMT
Also remember Goku Black has access to the super db's which he could use to synch up better with his new body. Had access to. They said they destroyed them after the wish for the body of Goku and Zamasu's immortality. While possible they used it a third time wouldn't the Super DBs have a waiting period too? If so that waiting period could have been all Black needed to get used to the body. True but Goku Black has the time ring, the waiting time probably didn't seem that bad with it.
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Post by Archon on Oct 24, 2016 16:12:45 GMT
Had access to. They said they destroyed them after the wish for the body of Goku and Zamasu's immortality. While possible they used it a third time wouldn't the Super DBs have a waiting period too? If so that waiting period could have been all Black needed to get used to the body. True but Goku Black has the time ring, the waiting time probably didn't seem that bad with it. That's another thing though. While we saw Gowasu use it does the ring require you to return to your old time before using it to travel again? Or can you just say the magic words to travel just 1 year ahead etc because if it requires returning to your time then it's possible you don't return to the correct timeline
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Post by The Masterman on Oct 24, 2016 16:16:33 GMT
True but Goku Black has the time ring, the waiting time probably didn't seem that bad with it. That's another thing though. While we saw Gowasu use it does the ring require you to return to your old time before using it to travel again? Or can you just say the magic words to travel just 1 year ahead etc because if it requires returning to your time then it's possible you don't return to the correct timeline Aaaand this is where I'm going to get lost... I hate multiverse theory/multiple timelines, makes it nearly impossible to accomplish anything or explain things.
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Post by Veya on Oct 24, 2016 17:12:01 GMT
I would assume that when you warp "back" in time, you always land on the timeline you left from, the Time Rings are interesting, they are created by strong fluctuations in time and they seem to be "connected"(for lack of better term) to specific timelines, for example, Black's Time Ring is "connected" to Trunks' timeline because it was created by Trunks' Time Traveling shanninegans back in the Android saga causing a lot of fluctuations in the space-time continuum.
I will also make a few assumptions here, so consider this speculation:
A) There can't be more than one Time Ring tied to the exact same timelines, the reason all of Trunks' time traveling only created one Time Ring is because there is already one of Time Ring tied to the "canon" timeline and Trunks' future.
B) Any given Time Ring is tied to two different timelines, the timeline where it originated from, and the timeline that caused it to be created, the reason Gowasu is able to land on Trunks' timeline is because he used the ring that was created by Trunks' actions.
C) You can only travel between those two timelines not counting notable exceptions(like when Black was able to follow Trunks due to the space-time ripples the time machine caused).
I think those few points of speculation would cover most holes/questions about the Time Rings, if they turn out to be true that is, it might be that they are "lolmagic" and don't have any specific rules to how they work.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 24, 2016 17:22:42 GMT
True but Goku Black has the time ring, the waiting time probably didn't seem that bad with it. That's another thing though. While we saw Gowasu use it does the ring require you to return to your old time before using it to travel again? Or can you just say the magic words to travel just 1 year ahead etc because if it requires returning to your time then it's possible you don't return to the correct timeline Hidden Green timerings. They can return to the designated timeline they want.
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