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Post by Archon on Oct 25, 2016 3:15:49 GMT
That's another thing though. While we saw Gowasu use it does the ring require you to return to your old time before using it to travel again? Or can you just say the magic words to travel just 1 year ahead etc because if it requires returning to your time then it's possible you don't return to the correct timeline Aaaand this is where I'm going to get lost... I hate multiverse theory/multiple timelines, makes it nearly impossible to accomplish anything or explain things. I agree. Which is why, while I love that Trunks is back again, I dislike extensive use of timetravel in anime (Unless they go through the work of explaining things) if anything I wish it was just something like "Black came from another universe and wished for all 12 Universes to be rid of human kind" and then it spilled over into Goku and Vegeta's universe because Trunks went to get help. That's another thing though. While we saw Gowasu use it does the ring require you to return to your old time before using it to travel again? Or can you just say the magic words to travel just 1 year ahead etc because if it requires returning to your time then it's possible you don't return to the correct timeline Hidden Green timerings. They can return to the designated timeline they want. Except does it just grant access to that new timeline or does it take you to the point at which the timeline was created? The green ones weren't explained in detail. Not to mention that time ring might lead to a time where all humans died out from some other cause. So who knows. I would assume that when you warp "back" in time, you always land on the timeline you left from, the Time Rings are interesting, they are created by strong fluctuations in time and they seem to be "connected"(for lack of better term) to specific timelines, for example, Black's Time Ring is "connected" to Trunks' timeline because it was created by Trunks' Time Traveling shanninegans back in the Android saga causing a lot of fluctuations in the space-time continuum. I will also make a few assumptions here, so consider this speculation: A) There can't be more than one Time Ring tied to the exact same timelines, the reason all of Trunks' time traveling only created one Time Ring is because there is already one of Time Ring tied to the "canon" timeline and Trunks' future. B) Any given Time Ring is tied to two different timelines, the timeline where it originated from, and the timeline that caused it to be created, the reason Gowasu is able to land on Trunks' timeline is because he used the ring that was created by Trunks' actions. C) You can only travel between those two timelines not counting notable exceptions(like when Black was able to follow Trunks due to the space-time ripples the time machine caused). I think those few points of speculation would cover most holes/questions about the Time Rings, if they turn out to be true that is, it might be that they are "lolmagic" and don't have any specific rules to how they work. Not true. Black wears a silver time ring. The green rings are created from people meddling in time. He (Black) merely said that Trunks was the reason he decided humans were an evil dangerous cancer on the universe. Regarding your speculation: A: I think it's more than just that. I brought this up before but I forget where so I will again. It's possible that only one ring exists due to Trunks' meddling is because it was multiple small changes instead of one huge change such as a galaxy being destroyed. B: I mostly agree but it would be interesting to see if other universes have the same or different number of green rings. Because if the same rings exists in multiple universes then they would be tied to all normal timelines plus the divergent timeline it was made to represent. C: Silver rings don't have a limit to how many timelines they can travel to I would assume. However the green ones are still pretty unknown right now. However I would assume you'd be right in it being more limited (Unless they are tied to all normal timelines like I mentioned in B) On a side note I believe the reason why Black was unable to remain in Goku's time for very long was because he did not access that time using the proper incantation. He was probably only allowed to go through the rip Trunks created because of the nature of the ring being able to cross time.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 25, 2016 3:33:47 GMT
Also, you guys may not be up to date with the manga (I believe it's not yet translated into English) but it's also mentioned the first green timering wasn't created by Trunks, but by some really old dude 1000 years ago in Universe 12.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 25, 2016 3:42:41 GMT
Also, you guys may not be up to date with the manga (I believe it's not yet translated into English) but it's also mentioned the first green timering wasn't created by Trunks, but by some really old dude 1000 years ago in Universe 12. What chapter is it? I'm using mangastream btw.
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Post by Archon on Oct 25, 2016 3:47:07 GMT
Also, you guys may not be up to date with the manga (I believe it's not yet translated into English) but it's also mentioned the first green timering wasn't created by Trunks, but by some really old dude 1000 years ago in Universe 12. Ok so the timerings are exactly the same for all universes. Ok that makes things simpler. So then all green rings are tied to the normal timelines and then their respective timeline they stand for. Gotcha.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 25, 2016 3:48:23 GMT
Hidden Green timerings. They can return to the designated timeline they want. Except does it just grant access to that new timeline or does it take you to the point at which the timeline was created? The green ones weren't explained in detail. Not to mention that time ring might lead to a time where all humans died out from some other cause. So who knows.the timeline where it originated from, and the timeline that caused it to be created, the reason Gowasu is able to land on Trunks' timeline is because he used the ring that was created by Trunks' actions. Well nothing was said against wearing both the Green ring And the normal Time ring. Even if you end up at the point the timeline was created, you could just use the normal time ring and travel to any time you want in that timeline. Just saw the scene Gowasu and Shin appear. It's a silver ring. Does using a silver time ring in U7's "present" send you to that present's future or sends the user to Trunk's future?
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 25, 2016 4:06:34 GMT
Also, you guys may not be up to date with the manga (I believe it's not yet translated into English) but it's also mentioned the first green timering wasn't created by Trunks, but by some really old dude 1000 years ago in Universe 12. What chapter is it? I'm using mangastream btw. 17 would be the latest one. It's the same one where they appear playing Mario Kart.
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Post by Archon on Oct 25, 2016 6:24:31 GMT
Except does it just grant access to that new timeline or does it take you to the point at which the timeline was created? The green ones weren't explained in detail. Not to mention that time ring might lead to a time where all humans died out from some other cause. So who knows.the timeline where it originated from, and the timeline that caused it to be created, the reason Gowasu is able to land on Trunks' timeline is because he used the ring that was created by Trunks' actions. Well nothing was said against wearing both the Green ring And the normal Time ring. Even if you end up at the point the timeline was created, you could just use the normal time ring and travel to any time you want in that timeline. Just saw the scene Gowasu and Shin appear. It's a silver ring. Does using a silver time ring in U7's "present" send you to that present's future or sends the user to Trunk's future? If you wore both time rings at the same time and they required the same incantation.....where would it send you? Obviously you'd have one in the pocket and put it on once you needed it but.....yeah. Also the silver rings may not be able to access other places along the divergent timelines. After all the green ones were made specifically to access them. It's possible the silver ones only allow access to the 12 normal timelines. (But again this is speculation)
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 25, 2016 8:52:20 GMT
Well nothing was said against wearing both the Green ring And the normal Time ring. Even if you end up at the point the timeline was created, you could just use the normal time ring and travel to any time you want in that timeline. Just saw the scene Gowasu and Shin appear. It's a silver ring. Does using a silver time ring in U7's "present" send you to that present's future or sends the user to Trunk's future? If you wore both time rings at the same time and they required the same incantation.....where would it send you? Obviously you'd have one in the pocket and put it on once you needed it but.....yeah. Also the silver rings may not be able to access other places along the divergent timelines. After all the green ones were made specifically to access them. It's possible the silver ones only allow access to the 12 normal timelines. (But again this is speculation) I'll reword it. Hopefully I make sense...zu. (Really bad puns are over for now.) Green rings are what determines which timeline you end up in but they don't designate the amount of time you wish to skip. Silver rings allow you to travel "1000 years into the future" but it doesn't determine which timeline you go in (except the current one). Of course we have to wait till the official word is out or wait until I read chapter 17. Lol
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Post by Archon on Oct 25, 2016 17:53:27 GMT
If you wore both time rings at the same time and they required the same incantation.....where would it send you? Obviously you'd have one in the pocket and put it on once you needed it but.....yeah. Also the silver rings may not be able to access other places along the divergent timelines. After all the green ones were made specifically to access them. It's possible the silver ones only allow access to the 12 normal timelines. (But again this is speculation) I'll reword it. Hopefully I make sense...zu. (Really bad puns are over for now.) Green rings are what determines which timeline you end up in but they don't designate the amount of time you wish to skip. Silver rings allow you to travel "1000 years into the future" but it doesn't determine which timeline you go in (except the current one). Of course we have to wait till the official word is out or wait until I read chapter 17. Lol I can see what you mean now but if all universes have silver rings and they're only able to work on the timelines of their universe then Black's ring shouldn't be working as it has been. Because isn't he using the U10 time ring to reach a different universe's future? That would mean the silver rings have access to all timelines besides the green ones' divergent timelines.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 25, 2016 18:42:59 GMT
I'll reword it. Hopefully I make sense...zu. (Really bad puns are over for now.) Green rings are what determines which timeline you end up in but they don't designate the amount of time you wish to skip. Silver rings allow you to travel "1000 years into the future" but it doesn't determine which timeline you go in (except the current one). Of course we have to wait till the official word is out or wait until I read chapter 17. Lol I can see what you mean now but if all universes have silver rings and they're only able to work on the timelines of their universe then Black's ring shouldn't be working as it has been. Because isn't he using the U10 time ring to reach a different universe's future? That would mean the silver rings have access to all timelines besides the green ones' divergent timelines. I don't recall the silver rings being limited to the universe they originate from (U10 ring only works in U10, etc.) so that's my idea/defense. So basically Gowasu can use his U10 time ring in any Universe he wants cuz (I think) it's not limited to the universe they're from. Then he's gotta use the green ring to "select his destination" of which alternate timeline he goes to. Bold part: Still think it's just the "current" timeline they're in. Traveling to the other universe is a different story. Besides, the universe hopping was done by U7's Shin's instantaneous movement or Whis literally traveling to the different universe. Also I think below would help show "my" thoughts on Universe "Vs" timelines. I could be wrong but for now that's what Imma thinking. (Alt) Timelines > Multiverse > Universe X (X = 1-12)
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Post by Archon on Oct 25, 2016 22:12:56 GMT
I can see what you mean now but if all universes have silver rings and they're only able to work on the timelines of their universe then Black's ring shouldn't be working as it has been. Because isn't he using the U10 time ring to reach a different universe's future? That would mean the silver rings have access to all timelines besides the green ones' divergent timelines. I don't recall the silver rings being limited to the universe they originate from (U10 ring only works in U10, etc.) so that's my idea/defense. So basically Gowasu can use his U10 time ring in any Universe he wants cuz (I think) it's not limited to the universe they're from. Then he's gotta use the green ring to "select his destination" of which alternate timeline he goes to. Bold part: Still think it's just the "current" timeline they're in. Traveling to the other universe is a different story. Besides, the universe hopping was done by U7's Shin's instantaneous movement or Whis literally traveling to the different universe. Also I think below would help show "my" thoughts on Universe "Vs" timelines. I could be wrong but for now that's what Imma thinking. (Alt) Timelines > Multiverse > Universe X (X = 1-12) In bold: I know it was just a theory I postulated earlier because up until recently we didn't really know either way. In regards to your response to my earlier bolded part: except isn't the events of Black etc taking place in the future of Trunks' timeline? My biggest issue right now is Super has made this needlessly complicated to understand because from what I gather they have made their story work off an until now unknown time theory. To my knowledge currently timelines and universes are almost inseparable. You create a new universe it automatically comes with its own timeline. If you alter time it would create a different universe where things would be different than if you hadn't altered time. So its basically a package deal. It's somewhat similar to why we call it Timespace. Because they're so intertwined. Honestly I don't think we're going to get much further because our views differ on what theory of time we agree with (at least from what I can tell) I'll have to check with a couple people I know that are better educated on the subject to make sure I'm actually not talking out of my ass.
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Post by Archon on Oct 25, 2016 22:31:56 GMT
I don't recall the silver rings being limited to the universe they originate from (U10 ring only works in U10, etc.) so that's my idea/defense. So basically Gowasu can use his U10 time ring in any Universe he wants cuz (I think) it's not limited to the universe they're from. Then he's gotta use the green ring to "select his destination" of which alternate timeline he goes to. Bold part: Still think it's just the "current" timeline they're in. Traveling to the other universe is a different story. Besides, the universe hopping was done by U7's Shin's instantaneous movement or Whis literally traveling to the different universe. Also I think below would help show "my" thoughts on Universe "Vs" timelines. I could be wrong but for now that's what Imma thinking. (Alt) Timelines > Multiverse > Universe X (X = 1-12) In bold: I know it was just a theory I postulated earlier because up until recently we didn't really know either way. In regards to your response to my earlier bolded part: except isn't the events of Black etc taking place in the future of Trunks' timeline? My biggest issue right now is Super has made this needlessly complicated to understand because from what I gather they have made their story work off an until now unknown time theory. To my knowledge currently timelines and universes are almost inseparable. You create a new universe it automatically comes with its own timeline. If you alter time it would create a different universe where things would be different than if you hadn't altered time. So its basically a package deal. It's somewhat similar to why we call it Timespace. Because they're so intertwined. Honestly I don't think we're going to get much further because our views differ on what theory of time we agree with (at least from what I can tell) I'll have to check with a couple people I know that are better educated on the subject to make sure I'm actually not talking out of my ass. So I showed an acquaintance my post and basically....we're both pretty much talking out of our ass XD here's the response. > So, strictly speaking, 'time' is a concept. It is a description of how we measure change. So ultimately, that is the metric upon which time is based: Change. If nothing is changing, one would be hard pressed to believe that time is advancing. > i.e. Time Dilation > Now, also understand, Time Dilation was predicted and verified in Relativity. > Relativity is the strongest, most heavily validated, closest thing we have to 'truth' with respect to scientific theory and what we understand about this universe > Such that if you have a new theory and it doesn't jive with relativity, your theory is garbage. > The idea behind 'multiple timelines' and 'multiple universes' are.. speculative. 100% speculative. There is, literally, nothing to really support them. These are mostly thought projects (which are still valuable) meant to challenge our perception of what time is and also meant to challenge assumptions regarding our origins and why the universe is/isn't the way that it is. So I guess in the end he was basically saying that nothing we're basing this off of is really scientifically backed.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 26, 2016 0:59:14 GMT
In bold: I know it was just a theory I postulated earlier because up until recently we didn't really know either way. In regards to your response to my earlier bolded part: except isn't the events of Black etc taking place in the future of Trunks' timeline? My biggest issue right now is Super has made this needlessly complicated to understand because from what I gather they have made their story work off an until now unknown time theory. To my knowledge currently timelines and universes are almost inseparable. You create a new universe it automatically comes with its own timeline. If you alter time it would create a different universe where things would be different than if you hadn't altered time. So its basically a package deal. It's somewhat similar to why we call it Timespace. Because they're so intertwined. Honestly I don't think we're going to get much further because our views differ on what theory of time we agree with (at least from what I can tell) I'll have to check with a couple people I know that are better educated on the subject to make sure I'm actually not talking out of my ass. So I showed an acquaintance my post and basically....we're both pretty much talking out of our ass XD here's the response. > So, strictly speaking, 'time' is a concept. It is a description of how we measure change. So ultimately, that is the metric upon which time is based: Change. If nothing is changing, one would be hard pressed to believe that time is advancing. > i.e. Time Dilation > Now, also understand, Time Dilation was predicted and verified in Relativity. > Relativity is the strongest, most heavily validated, closest thing we have to 'truth' with respect to scientific theory and what we understand about this universe > Such that if you have a new theory and it doesn't jive with relativity, your theory is garbage. > The idea behind 'multiple timelines' and 'multiple universes' are.. speculative. 100% speculative. There is, literally, nothing to really support them. These are mostly thought projects (which are still valuable) meant to challenge our perception of what time is and also meant to challenge assumptions regarding our origins and why the universe is/isn't the way that it is. So I guess in the end he was basically saying that nothing we're basing this off of is really scientifically backed. Well like I said (somewhere buried deep in DBM Forum Lol) none of us are that knowledgeable in time travel, let alone multiverse theory. We're literally questioning a fictional world made by a senile man who forgot significant details at various times (quoted from someone in the forum lol) so we can't really say one of us is right and one of us is wrong unless we quote the creator of said fictional world and his fictional "physics." I'm just gonna end my part of the conversation of time travel and multiverse theory and hope someone else posts a better topic because in my mind, it's just speculation of what's going on, (With some basis) not like I guarantee such theories. We can only guess so far about this version of time travel and can only go so far to agree on the same terms. I bet with you if someone researching time/time travel comes across this arc, they're gonna rage so hard. Edit: I got a good topic I'd like to deviate from this discussion of time travel and multiverse theory... Or I think it's deviated? Why does anyone in DBS care if Black is destroying the future? He's in a different timeline and if things are so bad, gather the Super Dragon Balls of this timeline and either wish for Black to be gone for good or just wish for the victims and the survivors to this timeline and ignore that there's a 17 year old version of various people.
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Post by Archon on Oct 26, 2016 2:40:26 GMT
So I showed an acquaintance my post and basically....we're both pretty much talking out of our ass XD here's the response. > So, strictly speaking, 'time' is a concept. It is a description of how we measure change. So ultimately, that is the metric upon which time is based: Change. If nothing is changing, one would be hard pressed to believe that time is advancing. > i.e. Time Dilation > Now, also understand, Time Dilation was predicted and verified in Relativity. > Relativity is the strongest, most heavily validated, closest thing we have to 'truth' with respect to scientific theory and what we understand about this universe > Such that if you have a new theory and it doesn't jive with relativity, your theory is garbage. > The idea behind 'multiple timelines' and 'multiple universes' are.. speculative. 100% speculative. There is, literally, nothing to really support them. These are mostly thought projects (which are still valuable) meant to challenge our perception of what time is and also meant to challenge assumptions regarding our origins and why the universe is/isn't the way that it is. So I guess in the end he was basically saying that nothing we're basing this off of is really scientifically backed. Well like I said (somewhere buried deep in DBM Forum Lol) none of us are that knowledgeable in time travel, let alone multiverse theory. We're literally questioning a fictional world made by a senile man who forgot significant details at various times (quoted from someone in the forum lol) so we can't really say one of us is right and one of us is wrong unless we quote the creator of said fictional world and his fictional "physics." I'm just gonna end my part of the conversation of time travel and multiverse theory and hope someone else posts a better topic because in my mind, it's just speculation of what's going on, (With some basis) not like I guarantee such theories. We can only guess so far about this version of time travel and can only go so far to agree on the same terms. I bet with you if someone researching time/time travel comes across this arc, they're gonna rage so hard. Edit: I got a good topic I'd like to deviate from this discussion of time travel and multiverse theory... Or I think it's deviated? Why does anyone in DBS care if Black is destroying the future? He's in a different timeline and if things are so bad, gather the Super Dragon Balls of this timeline and either wish for Black to be gone for good or just wish for the victims and the survivors to this timeline and ignore that there's a 17 year old version of various people. Actually if Conqueror Geng would so kindly link the related image Black states he kills all gods across all universes....so....that kinda fucks everything up. Also because messing with time is such a heinous crime I'm willing to bet not even the Super Dragonballs have the power to go across timelines to do things. Also I DID link our convo to a person with a background in academia who wasn't really mad. So I wouldn't worry too much lol
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 26, 2016 2:42:26 GMT
Well like I said (somewhere buried deep in DBM Forum Lol) none of us are that knowledgeable in time travel, let alone multiverse theory. We're literally questioning a fictional world made by a senile man who forgot significant details at various times (quoted from someone in the forum lol) so we can't really say one of us is right and one of us is wrong unless we quote the creator of said fictional world and his fictional "physics." I'm just gonna end my part of the conversation of time travel and multiverse theory and hope someone else posts a better topic because in my mind, it's just speculation of what's going on, (With some basis) not like I guarantee such theories. We can only guess so far about this version of time travel and can only go so far to agree on the same terms. I bet with you if someone researching time/time travel comes across this arc, they're gonna rage so hard. Edit: I got a good topic I'd like to deviate from this discussion of time travel and multiverse theory... Or I think it's deviated? Why does anyone in DBS care if Black is destroying the future? He's in a different timeline and if things are so bad, gather the Super Dragon Balls of this timeline and either wish for Black to be gone for good or just wish for the victims and the survivors to this timeline and ignore that there's a 17 year old version of various people. Actually if Conqueror Geng would so kindly link the related image Black states he kills all gods across all universes....so....that kinda fucks everything up. Also because messing with time is such a heinous crime I'm willing to bet not even the Super Dragonballs have the power to go across timelines to do things. Also I DID link our convo to a person with a background in academia who wasn't really mad. So I wouldn't worry too much lol It's from Manga chapter 16.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 26, 2016 3:31:12 GMT
Well like I said (somewhere buried deep in DBM Forum Lol) none of us are that knowledgeable in time travel, let alone multiverse theory. We're literally questioning a fictional world made by a senile man who forgot significant details at various times (quoted from someone in the forum lol) so we can't really say one of us is right and one of us is wrong unless we quote the creator of said fictional world and his fictional "physics." I'm just gonna end my part of the conversation of time travel and multiverse theory and hope someone else posts a better topic because in my mind, it's just speculation of what's going on, (With some basis) not like I guarantee such theories. We can only guess so far about this version of time travel and can only go so far to agree on the same terms. I bet with you if someone researching time/time travel comes across this arc, they're gonna rage so hard. Edit: I got a good topic I'd like to deviate from this discussion of time travel and multiverse theory... Or I think it's deviated? Why does anyone in DBS care if Black is destroying the future? He's in a different timeline and if things are so bad, gather the Super Dragon Balls of this timeline and either wish for Black to be gone for good or just wish for the victims and the survivors to this timeline and ignore that there's a 17 year old version of various people. Actually if Conqueror Geng would so kindly link the related image Black states he kills all gods across all universes....so....that kinda fucks everything up. Also because messing with time is such a heinous crime I'm willing to bet not even the Super Dragonballs have the power to go across timelines to do things. Also I DID link our convo to a person with a background in academia who wasn't really mad. So I wouldn't worry too much lol I thought they had no limit to the wish they could make. But out of universe, it's just a cheesy way to end the series so I can let the in universe reason slide. LOL! What was his reaction? Surprised or just "can't deal with these guys today?" XD Also, can't wait to see the explanation as to why U7 Kaioshin didn't say anything about Trunks messing the timeline (Kaioshins have the time rings and green ones so he should've "seen" it before Gowasu did.) Before Super we thought it was just an accident and a noble cause. Now it's just a massive mess... literally.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 26, 2016 3:57:24 GMT
I haven't been following your whole conversation, but as far as I know, in DBS... Parallel Timeline =/= Universe. Universes in DBS are like big galaxies inside a larger space, basically sectors. DBM on the other hand, calls parallel timelines as "Universes". So, naturally, every timeline would have the twelve universes. Also, The Retro Kakarotto please remember that Shin was pretty incompetent. He did not even know what the potalas were for. So I wouldn't be surprised if he had never seen the timerings. U7s Supreme Planet doesn't seem to have any kind of building within it, unlike in Universe 10. Maybe Majin Buu destroyed them (and the rings?) in his initial rampage?
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Post by The Masterman on Oct 26, 2016 4:10:55 GMT
Hm I have an idea on U10, what if the reason why we haven't seen other Kais is because U7 NEEDED so many between the Frost Demons, Majin Buu and all the other evil crap U7 has to have so many guardians and watchers unlike U10 which as we've seen takes along time for lifeforms to evolve unless it was just that one planet Zamasu and Gowasu visited, if life takes along time to evolve there it would probably take tens of thousands of years for anything U7 is/was dealing with to happen in U10.
Just a thought.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 26, 2016 4:23:05 GMT
I haven't been following your whole conversation, but as far as I know, in DBS... Parallel Timeline =/= Universe. Universes in DBS are like big galaxies inside a larger space, basically sectors. DBM on the other hand, calls parallel timelines as "Universes". So, naturally, every timeline would have the twelve universes. Also, The Retro Kakarotto please remember that Shin was pretty incompetent. He did not even know what the potalas were for. So I wouldn't be surprised if he had never seen the timerings. U7s Supreme Planet doesn't seem to have any kind of building within it, unlike in Universe 10. Maybe Majin Buu destroyed them (and the rings?) in his initial rampage? Jokester in me is gonna take over for a sec before I make my serious response. "OH God, the almighty Genghis Khan singled me out, what do I do, what do I Do!? I Gotta make sure I don't get on his bad side or I'll get banned!!! Oh wait, he just tagged me. Okay, it's not the end of the world for me XD" Now that that's out of my system: 1) Right, I forgot he was incompetent, especially the potalas. And episode 63 brings up a question. When Gowasu and Shin went to the future, only Gowasu held up the ring. Does that mean Shin just had to hold onto Gowasu to go with him or did he have his own all along (and not seen on screen)? 2) Totally forgot U7's Supreme planet lacking the building. Although it's not confusing, it's noteworthy that U10's "room" was like the RoSaT. The ground looked like air and the cabinets "appeared" out of nowhere. What about U7's building possibly "appearing" out of nowhere like so? Seems like a possibility and the explanation is that Shin forgot about it. :/
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Post by Archon on Oct 26, 2016 5:43:12 GMT
Actually if Conqueror Geng would so kindly link the related image Black states he kills all gods across all universes....so....that kinda fucks everything up. Also because messing with time is such a heinous crime I'm willing to bet not even the Super Dragonballs have the power to go across timelines to do things. Also I DID link our convo to a person with a background in academia who wasn't really mad. So I wouldn't worry too much lol I thought they had no limit to the wish they could make. But out of universe, it's just a cheesy way to end the series so I can let the in universe reason slide. LOL! What was his reaction? Surprised or just "can't deal with these guys today?" XD Also, can't wait to see the explanation as to why U7 Kaioshin didn't say anything about Trunks messing the timeline (Kaioshins have the time rings and green ones so he should've "seen" it before Gowasu did.) Before Super we thought it was just an accident and a noble cause. Now it's just a massive mess... literally. I already posted his reaction in the earlier post where I said we were both talking out our ass lol That's another plot hole they never explained. Who is really in charge of U7's rings? Is Old Kai in charge now that he was released from the sword? And if so why didn't he go "WTF why is there new rings!?"
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