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Post by Archon on Oct 26, 2016 5:45:58 GMT
I haven't been following your whole conversation, but as far as I know, in DBS... Parallel Timeline =/= Universe. Universes in DBS are like big galaxies inside a larger space, basically sectors. DBM on the other hand, calls parallel timelines as "Universes". So, naturally, every timeline would have the twelve universes. Also, The Retro Kakarotto please remember that Shin was pretty incompetent. He did not even know what the potalas were for. So I wouldn't be surprised if he had never seen the timerings. U7s Supreme Planet doesn't seem to have any kind of building within it, unlike in Universe 10. Maybe Majin Buu destroyed them (and the rings?) in his initial rampage? Somehow I don't imagine the timerings so easily destroyed though...
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Post by Ashanark on Oct 26, 2016 5:51:59 GMT
@time rings, timelines and plot holes discussion
Let this be a lesson to us all: if writing a story, stay the heck away from time travel.
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Post by Archon on Oct 26, 2016 6:26:37 GMT
@time rings, timelines and plot holes discussion Let this be a lesson to us all: if writing a story, stay the heck away from time travel. Unless you make sure to write an entire trilogy on how timelines/time travel works in your upcoming story of course lol
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 26, 2016 6:58:38 GMT
@time rings, timelines and plot holes discussion Let this be a lesson to us all: if writing a story, stay the heck away from time travel. It was honestly simpler when it was just Androids/Cell Saga and just ignoring that one plot hole back then. Now it's a mess of plot holes.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 26, 2016 7:02:16 GMT
I thought they had no limit to the wish they could make. But out of universe, it's just a cheesy way to end the series so I can let the in universe reason slide. LOL! What was his reaction? Surprised or just "can't deal with these guys today?" XD Also, can't wait to see the explanation as to why U7 Kaioshin didn't say anything about Trunks messing the timeline (Kaioshins have the time rings and green ones so he should've "seen" it before Gowasu did.) Before Super we thought it was just an accident and a noble cause. Now it's just a massive mess... literally. I already posted his reaction in the earlier post where I said we were both talking out our ass lol That's another plot hole they never explained. Who is really in charge of U7's rings? Is Old Kai in charge now that he was released from the sword? And if so why didn't he go "WTF why is there new rings!?" Whoops, must have missed it. Better question is how is Shin's life force the determining factor for Beerus? Old Kai died but came back to life. Does that mean the Kaioshin/Hakaishin bond (Sorry if I spelled the latter wrong) is "passed" down? And maybe time rings weren't invented 75 million years ago :/ But like Genghis Khan said to me after your other posts but before this one, maybe Buu destroyed they building holding the rings. But that raised the question how did Shin travel to the future in 63? Did he just have to hold on to Gowasu or did he have his own ring not shown on screen?
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 26, 2016 7:06:10 GMT
Found this by coincidence.
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Post by Archon on Oct 26, 2016 9:17:08 GMT
I already posted his reaction in the earlier post where I said we were both talking out our ass lol That's another plot hole they never explained. Who is really in charge of U7's rings? Is Old Kai in charge now that he was released from the sword? And if so why didn't he go "WTF why is there new rings!?" Whoops, must have missed it. Better question is how is Shin's life force the determining factor for Beerus? Old Kai died but came back to life. Does that mean the Kaioshin/Hakaishin bond (Sorry if I spelled the latter wrong) is "passed" down? And maybe time rings weren't invented 75 million years ago :/ But like Genghis Khan said to me after your other posts but before this one, maybe Buu destroyed they building holding the rings. But that raised the question how did Shin travel to the future in 63? Did he just have to hold on to Gowasu or did he have his own ring not shown on screen? I think it's less they were invented and more created by Zeno or whoever. That's like saying the Dragonballs were invented XD Also Shin probably did exactly what Zamasu did here:
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Post by Archon on Oct 26, 2016 9:21:55 GMT
Found this by coincidence.
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Post by The Masterman on Oct 26, 2016 10:08:21 GMT
Actually if Conqueror Geng would so kindly link the related image Black states he kills all gods across all universes....so....that kinda fucks everything up. Also because messing with time is such a heinous crime I'm willing to bet not even the Super Dragonballs have the power to go across timelines to do things. Also I DID link our convo to a person with a background in academia who wasn't really mad. So I wouldn't worry too much lol It's from Manga chapter 16. I'm hoping for translation error because otherwise Supreme Kai, Elder Kai and Beerus are dead in the manga when I'm pretty sure they aren't which creates a huge plot hole.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 26, 2016 10:22:42 GMT
It's from Manga chapter 16. I'm hoping for translation error because otherwise Supreme Kai, Elder Kai and Beerus are dead in the manga when I'm pretty sure they aren't which creates a huge plot hole.How so? They are indeed all dead. And they are also dead in the anime. So, no plot holes here. It would be more of a plothole if there are surviving GoDs, as they wouldn't let the ZeroMortals Plan flourish. Supreme Kai, Elder Kai and Beerus are also confirmed dead even earlier in this Manga Chapter. Death of Future Elder Kai:
Death of Shin and Beerus: And Black commenting the scene:
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Post by The Masterman on Oct 26, 2016 10:37:43 GMT
Conqueror GengWow I can not get my phone to let me quote that post... I see, I forgot the future U7 but also I didn't know the z-sword was destroyed that badly and Supreme Kai died, I only saw Future Trunks explain his encounter with Babidi and didn't know the sword didn't make it.
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Post by Archon on Oct 26, 2016 23:16:47 GMT
Conqueror GengWow I can not get my phone to let me quote that post... I see, I forgot the future U7 but also I didn't know the z-sword was destroyed that badly and Supreme Kai died, I only saw Future Trunks explain his encounter with Babidi and didn't know the sword didn't make it. Probably because the anime never showed it. Lol Also regarding Beerus being dead etc. Beerus is dead in that timeline. He's still alive back in Goku's time. So honestly I'm not sure why it's an issue. GoDs would make the the whole saga almost boring if they just came in and ended it.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 26, 2016 23:27:05 GMT
Speaking of which, how do you guys think Vegetto would look like? Vegeta doesn't use the same clothing as Buu saga anymore, but instead uses his normal Cell Saga clothing. So therefore, Vegetto's vest should look slightly different. I personally would like it to be just like in Buu saga, but having a long sleeve orange, turtle neck spandex. Vegetto's gi and pants would be like those of Goku, but blue. He'd also have gloves and saiyan boots. His belt (or what do you call it?) would be orange, as in the manga (in the anime it was blue).
I'd personally like Vegeta's armor to be discarded because I believe it clashes with the overall aesthetic of Vegetto.
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Post by Archon on Oct 27, 2016 4:54:50 GMT
Speaking of which, how do you guys think Vegetto would look like? Vegeta doesn't use the same clothing as Buu saga anymore, but instead uses his normal Cell Saga clothing. So therefore, Vegetto's vest should look slightly different. I personally would like it to be just like in Buu saga, but having a long sleeve orange, turtle neck spandex. Vegetto's gi and pants would be like those of Goku, but blue. He'd also have gloves and saiyan boots. His belt (or what do you call it?) would be orange, as in the manga (in the anime it was blue). I'd personally like Vegeta's armor to be discarded because I believe it clashes with the overall aesthetic of Vegetto. I found these on the internet a while back.
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Post by Veya on Oct 27, 2016 17:32:11 GMT
Speaking of which, how do you guys think Vegetto would look like? Vegeta doesn't use the same clothing as Buu saga anymore, but instead uses his normal Cell Saga clothing. So therefore, Vegetto's vest should look slightly different. I personally would like it to be just like in Buu saga, but having a long sleeve orange, turtle neck spandex. Vegetto's gi and pants would be like those of Goku, but blue. He'd also have gloves and saiyan boots. His belt (or what do you call it?) would be orange, as in the manga (in the anime it was blue). I'd personally like Vegeta's armor to be discarded because I believe it clashes with the overall aesthetic of Vegetto. I found these on the internet a while back. Those imply that they will be wearing the FnF costumes, which they aren't, honestly I am hoping that Vegeta's armor gets trashed by the fusion Zamasu and that when they fuse, he is only in his bodysuit, allowing Vegeto to look almost the same.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 27, 2016 17:53:45 GMT
Speaking of which, how do you guys think Vegetto would look like? Vegeta doesn't use the same clothing as Buu saga anymore, but instead uses his normal Cell Saga clothing. So therefore, Vegetto's vest should look slightly different. I personally would like it to be just like in Buu saga, but having a long sleeve orange, turtle neck spandex. Vegetto's gi and pants would be like those of Goku, but blue. He'd also have gloves and saiyan boots. His belt (or what do you call it?) would be orange, as in the manga (in the anime it was blue). I'd personally like Vegeta's armor to be discarded because I believe it clashes with the overall aesthetic of Vegetto. I found these on the internet a while back. I figured those are from RoF bc Black Goku arc wasn't thought of back then. But tbh, I hated Goku's gi during that and the U6 tournament. It just doesn't match with the one I knew and grew with. I could handle what he looked like fighting Raditz (normal orange gi but no weights) but the RoF and U6 one is just a nah for me. Vegeta's gray armor is a meh but blue spandex is preferable imo. Vegito. I'd like to see what fans could draw of in regards to Vegeta wearing his armor during the fusion. Otherwise Majin Buu clothes suit him best. These two so far look alright.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 27, 2016 20:25:03 GMT
This one would be more or less accurate (with minor differences): Sach would be orange like in the image but he wouldn't have that weird zipper. The Gi should also look more like Goku's current one.
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Post by Archon on Oct 27, 2016 20:25:12 GMT
I found these on the internet a while back. Those imply that they will be wearing the FnF costumes, which they aren't, honestly I am hoping that Vegeta's armor gets trashed by the fusion Zamasu and that when they fuse, he is only in his bodysuit, allowing Vegeto to look almost the same. Not sure what FnF stands for but yeah I forgot their clothes changed after their most recent return to their time.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 27, 2016 20:56:53 GMT
Those imply that they will be wearing the FnF costumes, which they aren't, honestly I am hoping that Vegeta's armor gets trashed by the fusion Zamasu and that when they fuse, he is only in his bodysuit, allowing Vegeto to look almost the same. Not sure what FnF stands for but yeah I forgot their clothes changed after their most recent return to their time. Think it meant japanese title for Revival of Frieza but we call it RoF
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Post by Veya on Oct 27, 2016 21:13:19 GMT
Those imply that they will be wearing the FnF costumes, which they aren't, honestly I am hoping that Vegeta's armor gets trashed by the fusion Zamasu and that when they fuse, he is only in his bodysuit, allowing Vegeto to look almost the same. Not sure what FnF stands for but yeah I forgot their clothes changed after their most recent return to their time. FnF=Fukkatsu no F, I am still used to this name over the english one, so it slips at time.
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