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Post by Super Saiyan God Vegeto on Jan 14, 2019 0:02:36 GMT
fooshinI don’t disagree with anything that you said about Gast, but I’d like to point out that individuals can lower their power lvl or hold back enough to the point that they could be damaged by someone far weaker than them..... Ex: Vegeta and Krillin on Namek There are a bunch more but this one is the most explicit so no point in debating any of the others unless this is only anime filler Which is why I personally don’t feel comfortable even ballparking Gast’s power lvl rn I still need to see more... I’d argue that the effectiveness with which Gast obliterated Hatchikack debunks the fight vs Vegeta and Broly..... for various reasons, some already stated(no aura, enjoying a challenge, blindsided by lssj Broly, Namek regen, effectiveness of good teamwork, etc) We know he was holding back against Broly and Vegeta for two reasons that can’t be argued against. 1. No aura at first 2. Later he unleashes his aura and kills Hatchikack in one shot... who was clearly far beyond an entry level ssj3 emperor Vegeta...... in one shot. With an aura. So we’re back to same two questions.... Just how strong was Hatchy And did Gast use just enough power? Or Super Overkill And was it his max. And by the way he’s been carrying himself since the beginning of the comic, he doesn’t look like he’s been seriously challenged in a long time.. Characters like that who enjoy fighting for the hell of it, who are too strong for their own good, who aren’t challenged by almost anything, who are extremely arrogant, who never lose or expect to lose, hold back, even when they shouldn’t. About Ginyu I don’t think he’s done I expect that he got away or will be receiving help in some way.... And all of the majin should be aware of Ginyu so none of them should be confused by the changing and should know that North is in Cold’s body... This will be funny to watch It’d be hilarious if Gohan appeared from nowhere and just sucker punched North and floored him unknowingly!
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Post by fooshin on Jan 14, 2019 1:31:18 GMT
I’d argue that the effectiveness with which Gast obliterated Hatchikack debunks the fight vs Vegeta and Broly..... for various reasons, some already stated(no aura, enjoying a challenge, blindsided by lssj Broly... We know he was holding back against Broly and Vegeta for two reasons that can’t be argued against. 1. No aura at first 2. Later he unleashes his aura and kills Hatchikack in one shot... who was clearly far beyond an entry level ssj3 emperor vegeta I see the logic in the aura and wanting a challenge. However, this kinda falls apart when we look at the Jr fight. Gast goes full aura right away with him. Are you telling me he's always looking for a challenge so he went ssj vegetto against an entry ssj2 level opponent? Also the way he was blocking the hits looked ssj3 at best where he clearly put some effort into the first blocks (pg 487) before slowly getting bored of his attacks. If aura equals ssj vegetto then he wouldn't have put any effort into a block against a ssj2. And likewise if no aura means not an easy fight against ssj2 well then he can't fight ssj3 without one. |
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Post by Super Saiyan God Vegeto on Jan 14, 2019 6:08:43 GMT
I’d argue that the effectiveness with which Gast obliterated Hatchikack debunks the fight vs Vegeta and Broly..... for various reasons, some already stated(no aura, enjoying a challenge, blindsided by lssj Broly... We know he was holding back against Broly and Vegeta for two reasons that can’t be argued against. 1. No aura at first 2. Later he unleashes his aura and kills Hatchikack in one shot... who was clearly far beyond an entry level ssj3 emperor vegeta I see the logic in the aura and wanting a challenge. However, this kinda falls apart when we look at the Jr fight. Gast goes full aura right away with him. Are you telling me he's always looking for a challenge so he went ssj vegetto against an entry ssj2 level opponent? Also the way he was blocking the hits looked ssj3 at best where he clearly put some effort into the first blocks (pg 487) before slowly getting bored of his attacks. If aura equals ssj vegetto then he wouldn't have put any effort into a block against a ssj2. And likewise if no aura means not an easy fight against ssj2 well then he can't fight ssj3 without one. 1. He got blindsided by the Cell Jr, so after the fight began he powered up to safe power lvl based on the sucker punch he just received then the aura was gone. 2. No one plays with or takes Cell Jrs serious, as they understand that a Cell Jr is just a shell of Cell himself, they are basically immortal children 3. He didn’t power up at all against ssj3 Vegeta and we know that Vegeta was stronger than the Jr |
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Jan 14, 2019 6:29:32 GMT
fooshin I don’t disagree with anything that you said about Gast, but I’d like to point out that individuals can lower their power lvl or hold back enough to the point that they could be damaged by someone far weaker than them..... Ex: Vegeta and Krillin on Namek There are a bunch more but this one is the most explicit so no point in debating any of the others unless this is only anime filler Which is why I personally don’t feel comfortable even ballparking Gast’s power lvl rn I still need to see more... I’d argue that the effectiveness with which Gast obliterated Hatchikack debunks the fight vs Vegeta and Broly..... for various reasons, some already stated(no aura, enjoying a challenge, blindsided by lssj Broly, Namek regen, effectiveness of good teamwork, etc) We know he was holding back against Broly and Vegeta for two reasons that can’t be argued against. 1. No aura at first 2. Later he unleashes his aura and kills Hatchikack in one shot... who was clearly far beyond an entry level ssj3 emperor Vegeta...... in one shot. With an aura. So we’re back to same two questions.... Just how strong was Hatchy And did Gast use just enough power? Or Super Overkill And was it his max. And by the way he’s been carrying himself since the beginning of the comic, he doesn’t look like he’s been seriously challenged in a long time..
Characters like that who enjoy fighting for the hell of it, who are too strong for their own good, who aren’t challenged by almost anything, who are extremely arrogant, who never lose or expect to lose, hold back, even when they shouldn’t.
About Ginyu I don’t think he’s done I expect that he got away or will be receiving help in some way.... And all of the majin should be aware of Ginyu so none of them should be confused by the changing and should know that North is in Cold’s body... This will be funny to watch It’d be hilarious if Gohan appeared from nowhere and just sucker punched North and floored him unknowingly! Hardly conclusive proof anymore. We've seen he has been challenged in his specials. He didn't have it 100% easy vs. Cold and even admitted that if Cold was at 100% of his power and was able to control it, he couldn't have defeated him. Then at the end of it we get a very angry and frustrated Vegeta, who has completely forgotten about Goku, becoming SSJ and screaming it's just not enough. This means he will still play his part in U7 (possibly during Android/Cell saga as a replacement) and go Super Vegeta. Super Vegeta would be enough to spank the shit out of Gast at the level he was now at the latest special, so that speaks of another challenge for him. I find likely Buu and also Broly gave him a good challenge too. His starting power was somewhere between A16 and Semi-Perfect Cell. He evidently has been challenged a lot if he managed to go from that level to SSJ3+, as much as Piccolo or U18 Vegeta were at least. |
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Post by fooshin on Jan 14, 2019 6:38:49 GMT
1. He got blindsided by the Cell Jr, so after the fight began he powered up to safe power lvl based on the sucker punch he just received then the aura was gone. 2. No one plays with or takes Cell Jrs serious, as they understand that a Cell Jr is just a shell of Cell himself, they are basically immortal children 3. He didn’t power up at all against ssj3 Vegeta and we know that Vegeta was stronger than the Jr Would you say ssj3 would be a sufficiently high enough level for him to feel safe from the jr based on jr's hit? And... Regardless of how you answered that, what level do you think he was at when he powered up? |
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Post by Super Saiyan God Vegeto on Jan 15, 2019 0:09:48 GMT
1. He got blindsided by the Cell Jr, so after the fight began he powered up to safe power lvl based on the sucker punch he just received then the aura was gone. 2. No one plays with or takes Cell Jrs serious, as they understand that a Cell Jr is just a shell of Cell himself, they are basically immortal children 3. He didn’t power up at all against ssj3 Vegeta and we know that Vegeta was stronger than the Jr Would you say ssj3 would be a sufficiently high enough level for him to feel safe from the jr based on jr's hit? And... Regardless of how you answered that, what level do you think he was at when he powered up? Well... ssj3 to any level of ssj2 is absolute super overkill. So I’d personally estimate that he powered up to somewhere beyond majin Vegeta levels. not too much higher; maybe getting close to Fat Buu (still weaker than Fat Buu by a decent margin) Then he realized after blocking 3 or 4 strikes that the Cell Jr was pretty much spent, and he got bored... He became Zen Buu vs Tien He stood still and gave the Jr ample time to charge up and unleash his best move. He tanked it with no aura. @genghis Khan I know that he’s been challenged before... likely on several occasions But how long ago? How recent How long has he been standing around with his arms folded and his eyes closed?   I’d say a challenge is what ssj1 Goku was to Cell at the beginning of the Cell Games Cell was holding back a great deal but Goku still challenged him Not: Super Vegssj1 eta vs Perfect Cell or Buuhan vs ssj1 Vegeto Right now I’d say that we have a better understanding of how strong Cell is Here Cell’s reaction is much more worried than Gast’s.  And here as well   |
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Jan 15, 2019 1:14:31 GMT
Would you say ssj3 would be a sufficiently high enough level for him to feel safe from the jr based on jr's hit? And... Regardless of how you answered that, what level do you think he was at when he powered up? Well... ssj3 to any level of ssj2 is absolute super overkill. So I’d personally estimate that he powered up to somewhere beyond majin Vegeta levels. not too much higher; maybe getting close to Fat Buu (still weaker than Fat Buu by a decent margin) Then he realized after blocking 3 or 4 strikes that the Cell Jr was pretty much spent, and he got bored... He became Zen Buu vs Tien He stood still and gave the Jr ample time to charge up and unleash his best move. He tanked it with no aura. @genghis Khan I know that he’s been challenged before... likely on several occasions But how long ago? How recent How long has he been standing around with his arms folded and his eyes closed? I’d say a challenge is what ssj1 Goku was to Cell at the beginning of the Cell Games Cell was holding back a great deal but Goku still challenged him Not: Super Vegeta vs Perfect Cell or Buuhan vs ssj1 Right now I’d say that we have a better understanding of how strong Cell is Here Cell’s reaction is much more worried than Gast’s. And here as well I'd say good post, if it was not full of cherrypicked and selective evidence. Most of the examples you shown are trivialized one page or at best a few pages later: 1. Defeating Freeza, Cell (who likely was weaker), Majin Buu (who most likely never became Super Buu or absorbed anyone worthy of that level: Goku also did it. In fact, Goku likely defeated a far more dangerous version of him with a comparable power (and time limit, which Gast lacks)
2-Stopping a Broly blast:      3-Cell is not worried. The reaction just looks like that because it's more personal. Cell is seeing a dude who surpasses him, his arch enemy, who also almost killed him in the past and actually managed to do so in most universes, and also has a ragebone for, powering up to considerable levels (basically paralleling his own advances and gainz). Gast is just seeing a kid whom he possible only met once in Namek (while he was a weakling and less than 5 feet tall) and mostly acted cordially to him while searching for the Dragon Balls who has progressed a lot.4.Goku (who is only SSJ) does not look any more surprised than Gast. Gast also met and dealt Broly, while Cell did not. This also adds to his surprise:  Also, as a bonus, Bra looks less worried than them both: Sorry, Gast just isn't the bad-ass you're trying to make him to be. Between SSJ3 and Super Buu seems correct to me. |
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Post by thequebecois on Jan 15, 2019 2:36:09 GMT
Would you say ssj3 would be a sufficiently high enough level for him to feel safe from the jr based on jr's hit? And... Regardless of how you answered that, what level do you think he was at when he powered up? Right now I’d say that we have a better understanding of how strong Cell is Here Cell’s reaction is much more worried than Gast’s. And here as well Thats not a good comparaison, considering how he doesn't value strength, also this was Cell prior to the Tapion zenkai and the majin boost |
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Post by Super Saiyan God Vegeto on Jan 15, 2019 3:11:46 GMT
Well the meaning to Cell’s reaction surprise/worry/shock is open to interpretation
So on that I’ll have to agree to disagree
But my last question to you is, do you think that a Super Buu lvl fighter could’ve done to Hatchy what Gast did?
Do you think Hatchy was that weak?
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Post by fooshin on Jan 15, 2019 3:14:34 GMT
Well... ssj3 to any level of ssj2 is absolute super overkill. So I’d personally estimate that he powered up to somewhere beyond majin Vegeta levels.not too much higher; maybe getting close to Fat Buu (still weaker than Fat Buu by a decent margin) Then he realized after blocking 3 or 4 strikes that the Cell Jr was pretty much spent, and he got bored... He became Zen Buu vs Tien He stood still and gave the Jr ample time to charge up and unleash his best move. He tanked it with no aura. Correct me if I'm wrong but it appears you are claiming that an aura on gast equals ssj2 majin vegeta+ and yet no aura equals a blow for blow equal fight with ssj3 ghost vegeta? Just attempting to point out that the aura argument is not irrefutable proof as you'd claimed. Also, kinda beat to the punch, but one of the reactions you missed was on page 267 where gast reacts to ssj3 vegetto by stating "An infinite strength --- but strength is nothing." This always seems to be the biggest confusion that everyone equates PL to sole ability to win. If all gast had to rely on in his raichi fight was his strength he would have lost in a bloody mess. A passive reaction to strengths greater than his is not a sign of anything when he has unique skills and innate abilities that give him a huge edge. |
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Jan 15, 2019 3:30:33 GMT
Well the meaning to Cell’s reaction surprise/worry/shock is open to interpretation So on that I’ll have to agree to disagree But my last question to you is, do you think that a Super Buu lvl fighter could’ve done to Hatchy what Gast did?Do you think Hatchy was that weak? Yeah. Hatchiyack is certainly not SSJ1 Vegetto level if that's what you ask me. Even if he was, the simple fact he was just a simple loop command (scream and immobilize >>> charge >> fire) without anything else going on, probably could even have been defeated by someone weaker. I'd probably say Hatchiyack was around Buu Gotenks level. If Gast was around Super Buu level he could have easily dealt damage to an opponent just 2x his power. Most of relevant Hatchiyack's power should come entirely from Broly and Vegeta tho. He only has a SSJ2 tier fighter beyond them (Cell Jr). Everyone else should be inferior to Perfect Cell, most by a really considerable margin. If Gast was any higher he would not have needed to win the first round of the fight in such wimpy manner (playing dead and hiding shit). He also would not have went back to back with Vegeta for the time it did. If "even battle" appeared in the dictionary, this page would fit on it:  |
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Post by fooshin on Jan 15, 2019 3:35:58 GMT
Gast also met and dealt Broly, while Cell did not. U3,7,11,and 13 had a different broly story. So we know what happened with the living broly in u3. I'm not entirely sure that it's safe to say that gast dealt with broly in 7 though, at least not the legendary version. I say this due to the scene where he strikes him in the chest and vegetto says "well, duh" or something like this. Also it doesnt seem like 13's vegeta was familiar with broly beyond what he saw from vegetto's fight. U11 could be stone spit or any number of scenarios. They didnt show much reaction to him from the broly fight but that was early on so who knows. Really curious to see these play out in the specials. |
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Post by Super Saiyan God Vegeto on Jan 15, 2019 3:45:36 GMT
Well... ssj3 to any level of ssj2 is absolute super overkill. So I’d personally estimate that he powered up to somewhere beyond majin Vegeta levels.not too much higher; maybe getting close to Fat Buu (still weaker than Fat Buu by a decent margin) Then he realized after blocking 3 or 4 strikes that the Cell Jr was pretty much spent, and he got bored... He became Zen Buu vs Tien He stood still and gave the Jr ample time to charge up and unleash his best move. He tanked it with no aura. Correct me if I'm wrong but it appears you are claiming that an aura on gast equals ssj2 majin vegeta+ and yet no aura equals a blow for blow equal fight with ssj3 ghost vegeta? Just attempting to point out that the aura argument is not irrefutable proof as you'd claimed. Also, kinda beat to the punch, but one of the reactions you missed was on page 267 where gast reacts to ssj3 vegetto by stating "An infinite strength --- but strength is nothing." This always seems to be the biggest confusion that everyone equates PL to sole ability to win. If all gast had to rely on in his raichi fight was his strength he would have lost in a bloody mess. A passive reaction to strengths greater than his is not a sign of anything when he has unique skills and innate abilities that give him a huge edge. All I’m saying about the aura, is that when someone is fighting at full power, their aura should be unleashed..... constantly One can power up to whatever power they see fit and then tuck it away Like Goku and Cell during the Cell games. if the aura is tucked away then said fighter isn’t making a constant max effort. Or that’s at least my interpretation @genghis Well can’t wait to see what he does against Bra if he’s as weak as you think he is. Will be fun to watch |
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Jan 15, 2019 3:48:46 GMT
Gast also met and dealt Broly, while Cell did not. U3,7,11,and 13 had a different broly story. So we know what happened with the living broly in u3. I'm not entirely sure that it's safe to say that gast dealt with broly in 7 though, at least not the legendary version. I say this due to the scene where he strikes him in the chest and vegetto says "well, duh" or something like this. Also it doesnt seem like 13's vegeta was familiar with broly beyond what he saw from vegetto's fight. U11 could be stone spit or any number of scenarios. They didnt show much reaction to him from the broly fight but that was early on so who knows. Really curious to see these play out in the specials. Who do you think dealt with Broly in U7 tho? Remember the constant where Broly (or rather Paragus) goes to get his revenge, is that Vegeta survives/is around and goes SSJ. In U13 case: it's obvious they eventually got to him. the fact Kakarotto belongs to his team assures us there certainly was a LSSJ. U13 Vegeta is likely just panicked since the Broly they faced was likely around SSJ2-SSJ3 level and not the monstrosity that fought SSJ2 Vegetto. The fact the quartet of saiyans traveled around space certainly made the job of locating them easier for Paragus. In U11 case: Vegeta was at least FPSSJ or at the level he was during the U18 Broly movie/special. Only difference was that there were Androids accompanying them and no Super Piccolo. Also no Trunks probably. Paragus surely still managed to detect Vegeta and Goku tho. So no stone spit. In U7 case: Vegeta is still alive and already went SSJ. He and Gast are also traveling through space constantly so that makes the job easier for Paragus too. It's likely he just finds Vegeta and kills him though. But that would mean an entire special or minicomic of Vegeta alone fighting Broly. And I don't think they'd off both of them offscreen. Super Saiyan God Vegeto If this ever happens, Bra will obviously fight very evenly with Gast as a SSJ, then Gast will try to pull some weird technique/magic on her, she'll go SSJ2, it'll fail, and Gast will be one shotted, dying much like Zangya did. |
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Post by fooshin on Jan 15, 2019 3:58:31 GMT
All I’m saying about the aura, is that when someone is fighting at full power, their aura should be unleashed..... constantly One can power up to whatever power they see fit and then tuck it away Like Goku and Cell during the Cell games. if the aura is tucked away then said fighter isn’t making a constant max effortSo he unleashed his full, possibly ssj1 vegetto power, when his aura went up but then selected a wimpy ssj2+ level to actually fight at? That's a new take on how it works for me. You'd think there'd be comments from the other fighters about why gast was holding back so much while getting slaughtered during ghost vegeta and then the broly duo. EDIT: actually now I'm even more confused on your point because upon rereading it it really looks like you're trying to say that any aura means max effort constantly but then you said he fought Jr as ssj2+ so I just dont know... |
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Post by fooshin on Jan 15, 2019 4:15:00 GMT
Who do you think dealt with Broly in U7 tho? I thought the relevant part was the llsj broly which I was merely suggesting he could have been killed in a lesser form or somehow killed by a very different u7 vegeta similarly. It could just be my take, but looking at the ghost broly dialog in the vegeta vs raichi battle it really looked to me like he had never seen broly before besides the vegetto fight. Raichi even explains the situation right as vegeta says yeah but level 1... smash. I could be wrong and there doesn't seem to be another way he could die in this universe besides something novel. |
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Jan 15, 2019 4:24:15 GMT
Who do you think dealt with Broly in U7 tho? which I was merely suggesting he could have been killed in a lesser form or somehow killed by a very different u7 vegeta similarly. It could just be my take, but looking at the ghost broly dialog in the vegeta vs raichi battle it really looked to me like he had never seen broly before besides the vegetto fight. Raichi even explains the situation right as vegeta says yeah but level 1... smash. I could be wrong and there doesn't seem to be another way he could die in his universe besides something novel. Doubtful. In fact, given how U3 happened, it's likely not even "Kakarotto crying" is needed for this equation. Broly gave a try to Vegeta, but upon realizing he was truly outmatched he went LSSJ really fast. I don't see why would this have to happen differently elsewhere. Basically Broly can turn this form off and on at will. If he's killed as a lesser version of himself, then it's a waste of alternate history. They could just've let him chill with his dad in space like in U8, future universes, U9, etc etc. Or ultimately have him die a fortuitous and pathetic, inconsequential death like U6 or U17 instead of trying to captivate us with surprise and suspense. Taking into account how U3 is the most different universe, and Broly went LSSJ earlier there anyway, then I don't see how in more mainstream universes like U7 or U11 (or even U13) should have happened differently. I don't think him getting killed in base or SSJ form merits a separate story/special like it did for U3. |
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Post by Super Saiyan God Vegeto on Jan 15, 2019 4:30:17 GMT
All I’m saying about the aura, is that when someone is fighting at full power, their aura should be unleashed..... constantly One can power up to whatever power they see fit and then tuck it away Like Goku and Cell during the Cell games. if the aura is tucked away then said fighter isn’t making a constant max effortSo he unleashed his full, possibly ssj1 vegetto power, when his aura went up but then selected a wimpy ssj2+ level to actually fight at? That's a new take on how it works for me. You'd think there'd be comments from the other fighters about why gast was holding back so much while getting slaughtered during ghost vegeta and then the broly duo. EDIT: actually now I'm even more confused on your point because upon rereading it it really looks like you're trying to say that any aura means max effort constantly but then you said he fought Jr as ssj2+ so I just dont know... Here we go Cell powered up against Goku before they started fighting at the Cell games We find out later that wasn’t his full power So we know that just because a fighter powers up, and unleashes their aura, doesn’t mean that it’s their max. We know from Vegeta and Krillin on Namek that a fighter can be hurt by someone far weaker than him if they lower their power lvl/defenses enough When a fighter powers up, they unleash their aura (almost every time) powering up and maintaining an unleashed aura takes effortThe aura signifies the effort and power output One cannot be at max power and max effort without the aura being unleashed One can drop the aura after powering up to a certain lvl, but to maintain their max they need to unleash the aura constantly That is my understanding. Any questions |
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Jan 15, 2019 4:38:51 GMT
So he unleashed his full, possibly ssj1 vegetto power, when his aura went up but then selected a wimpy ssj2+ level to actually fight at? That's a new take on how it works for me. You'd think there'd be comments from the other fighters about why gast was holding back so much while getting slaughtered during ghost vegeta and then the broly duo. EDIT: actually now I'm even more confused on your point because upon rereading it it really looks like you're trying to say that any aura means max effort constantly but then you said he fought Jr as ssj2+ so I just dont know... Here we go Cell powered up against Goku before they started fighting at the Cell gamesWe find out later that wasn’t his full power So we know that just because a fighter powers up, and unleashes their aura, doesn’t mean that it’s their max. We know from Vegeta and Krillin on Namek that a fighter can be hurt by someone far weaker than him if they lower their power lvl/defenses enough When a fighter powers up, they unleash their aura (almost every time) powering up and maintaining an unleashed aura takes effortThe aura signifies the effort and power output One cannot be at max power and max effort without the aura being unleashed One can drop the aura after powering up to a certain lvl, but to maintain their max they need to unleash the aura constantly That is my understanding. Any questionsMore than a question, this is more like a call on total bullshit. Come on. If Gast really was at least like Vegeto SSJ1 (let alone superior) then powering up for a Cell Jr is the equivalent of Perfect Cell powering up to kill Yajirobe or Oolong, not having a fight with FPSSJ Goku. The hypothetical power gaps between the two comparisons are just too disparate to make any real sense. |
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Post by Super Saiyan God Vegeto on Jan 15, 2019 4:44:36 GMT
Here we go Cell powered up against Goku before they started fighting at the Cell gamesWe find out later that wasn’t his full power So we know that just because a fighter powers up, and unleashes their aura, doesn’t mean that it’s their max. We know from Vegeta and Krillin on Namek that a fighter can be hurt by someone far weaker than him if they lower their power lvl/defenses enough When a fighter powers up, they unleash their aura (almost every time) powering up and maintaining an unleashed aura takes effortThe aura signifies the effort and power output One cannot be at max power and max effort without the aura being unleashed One can drop the aura after powering up to a certain lvl, but to maintain their max they need to unleash the aura constantly That is my understanding. Any questionsMore than a question, this is more like a call on total bullshit. Come on. If Gast really was at least like Vegeto SSJ1 (let alone superior) then powering up for a Cell Jr is the equivalent of Perfect Cell powering up to kill Yajirobe or Oolong, not having a fight with FPSSJ Goku. The hypothetical power gaps between the two comparisons are just too disparate to make any real sense. So you think that Base Vegeto walks around at mystic Gohan levels all the time? or does he suppress his power and raise it as he sees fit Why would anyone walk around at their max power level constantly |
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