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Post by Ashanark on Aug 17, 2016 5:03:15 GMT
Well, even though we're seven years and almost four rounds into this thing, we've still gotta have one, right?
Post your predictions for the tournament here, so that when DBM finishes however many years from now, you can come back and see how you did.
Third Round: Gast vs. Raichi: Gast. Though having Raichi win would lead to a possibly interesting fight against Saiyans later on, Gast is an original character with too much potential to go to waste--especially if he can help humble Bra. If Raichi is killed in this match, Hatchiyak will reappear later on in the tournament to cause trouble, like Broly and Buu did.
Fourth Round: Goku vs. Uub: Goku. Uub is promising, but he's still a bit too young to beat Goku, and he would have less drama facing Vegeta or Cell. This will primarily be a good-spirited match. Uub will put up a good fight, but eventually forfeit. Vegeta vs. Cell: Vegeta. This would give Vegeta a chance to prove himself after losing to Cell so many years before. This will be a brutal match, since neither opponent takes losing well. Vegeta wins by killing Cell, and probably by unveiling his "hidden power," though it'll really make him mad to do so. XXI vs. Buu: XXI; He'll likely use the Babidi imprisonment spell, since unveiling his true form would likely end the tournament. Buu will have some contingency plans ready, though, and will definitely get angry if he loses. Bra vs. Gast: Bra. I like Gast better, but I think Bra will win, though not without taking a major blow to her pride first. Perhaps a Yamcha vs. 18 style match will happen, where Gast wins, but forfeits to allow Bra to progress and redeem herself. If Bra is to win fairly, I think she will have to master her Super Saiyan 2 first, perhaps by being trained by Gast. Why do I think Bra will win? Her matchup with Buu or XXI would have more drama to it than if Gast were to face either of those two.
Fifth Round: Goku vs. Vegeta: I don't actually think this is how it'll play out, but why not...No clear winner is given, because the two decide to fuse and form Gogeta so that they can face XXI in Round Six. Vegeta is furious that their showdown is postponed yet again. XXI vs. Bra: Bra does her best, but XXI beats her. Horribly. This is when things will really turn serious in the story.
Other guesses: Hmm...maybe I can go Nostradamus-style and just make so many predictions that some of them will end up being right... --U4 Buu will end up being the Big Good of the story, while Vegito will have to be humbled or stopped in some way. --Kakarot either needs to find peace of mind (or as close as the poor crazy can get to it, at least) or else be killed by Android 16. --The final battle against XXI will not take place in the tournament. XXI will not be killed by Kamehameha, Spirit Bomb, or any other cliche move. --The lower power-level good guys (like the cool U9 people) will have a chance to shine by taking out the lower-level bad guys when the tournament breaks down. --When the tournament breaks down, battles will take place in other people's universes. --Goku will have a talk with Bardock and meet some version of Hanasia.
Random, Not-Serious Ideas: --If Vegito goes on a rampage, he'll be stopped by the good guys de-fusing him into Goku and Vegeta...causing immense psychological trauma to U16 Bra. --Ginyu isn't actually in the body of anyone of Universe 8. Or, option 2, Ginyu actually learned his body-change ability from someone else, and that person taught the ability to someone in Universe 8, so Ginyu actually isn't in the tournament at all. --Piccolo and Gast will fuse. --U18 Bra will be used as a decoy for U16 Bra at some point...or the other way around.
I might add more as I go along. I reserve the right to be completely, horribly wrong in my predictions. Only time will tell just how much!
What are your predictions?
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Post by Lord Rime on Aug 17, 2016 5:14:32 GMT
My personal guess?
We're not going to get to the end of the Tournament. Something will happen that will cause it to end early, possibly Round 4.
My personal hope?
Ginyu is in the body of a Majin Buu. Don't know which Buu, but certainly some Buu. Probably not a "main" Buu, but rather a split-off piece. That would be where he could do the most damage; more to the point it's the one way where somebody could go missing from the Tournament without it causing anyone to notice.
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Post by kinnikuman on Aug 17, 2016 5:16:25 GMT
Gast vs Raichi... Raichi wins and adds Gast to his ghost team. (Yeah not ghost but who you gunna call though.)
Goku vs Uub... Surpise of the century Uub Wins. He has better ki sense then Gohan. (Sensing bra was still alive) And took down buu. Don't underestimate him. Cell vs Vegetta... Vegetta, but only because he made a deal with Raichi. Sending dozens of cell jrs to the slaughter means that Raichi's forces grew 10 fold. Xxi Vs Buu... Xxi actually ends up fighting, and it's close but Buu wins it by absorbing Xxi... but soon begins to act very strange Bra vs Raichi. Raichi With his added cell and cell jr army he wears the girl out, and as she tries to eat a Senzu Ghost Gast steals her glove feeding the beans to cell.
Uub vs Vegetta, Vegetta forfits, refusing to fight a student of Gokus. Discovers Goku threw the match because something was going on. Buu vs Raichi. Buu wins and asorbs ghost machine.
Buu vs Uub, round 2. Uub looses quickly but Buu can't finish him off, A inner force stopping him.
XXI vs Buu, Inside the mind of a gum ball. XXI is attempting to take over Buus soul. Meanwhile outside the tournment has broke out in utter choas.
XXI buu kills Uub, and nearly absorbs bra. Bra and Vegetta are saved by Piccolo.
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Post by Dr. Wheelo on Aug 17, 2016 5:31:24 GMT
Third Round: Gast vs. Raichi: I'll go with Dr. Raichi. I can see Gast actually knocking out Raichi himself inciting Bardock to say "he lost just like in my vision", but if it's anything like then defeating Raichi is what causes Hatchiyack to come out to play. I can see Hatchiyack being to Gast what Ghost Vegeta was to U13 Vegeta, taking him out and creating another powerful contender of Broly tier level, possibly summoning Raichi back as a ghost but with free will so that nothing really changes. Hell, he still has Broly himself if he can buy the time to let him transform. Round 3 could really use a twist in one of the fights, I think the winners have all been too predictable this round.
Fourth Round: Goku vs. Uub: I don't think Uub will win, but I'll root for him regardless. At the very least he'll put on a good respectable show against Goku, letting his successor have some time to shine and earn more respect. Vegeta vs. Cell: I feel Vegeta would win, but Cell should win. Cell felt Gohan's power against Bra and still wanted to fight him, he's since gotten a majin boost on top of that, unless he's gotten even more cocky than usual I'd say he should be stronger. Vegeta has a trick up his sleeve to make up for SSJ3, he'll probably whip that out and I'm guessing manage to barely scrape out a win. XXI vs. Buu: XXI will troll Buu like the rest of them. Bra vs. Dr. Raichi: The hotheaded Bra will be like a puppet, playing to the beat of Raichi's tune the whole time as he tears her down on a psychological level and physical level. A fierce clash of ideologies will occur that will grow and develop both side, whether she survives by the end of the fight is anyones guess.
Fifth Round: Goku vs. Vegeta: I'd just go with Goku, I feel it would go against Vegeta's speech about Kakarot being #1 if he ended up stronger. XXI vs. Raichi: XXI goes for the troll with his magic... but Raichi saw it coming and counters with the power of science! XXI suffers a humiliating defeat.
Final Round: Goku vs Raichi: Goku has a bad habit of losing tournaments, he gets mobbed by Raichi's collection of heavy hitters and the doctor takes the tournament.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Aug 17, 2016 6:36:39 GMT
Whereas I don't truly dare to predict the last fight of the Third Round, as this is the only non-foregone conclusion so far, I'll argue for what I consider to be the underdog: Dr Raichi
-Raichi may use Hildegarn in the same method Tapion did in this round, thereby eliminating any possibility of haxxor shortcuts such as "dodging all the ghosts and vaporizing Raichi". Hildegarn can turn into smoke. Now we also have to take into account Raichi has full control of his ghosts. Therefore Hildegarn would be used as a mecha, 1000 times more effective than what Tapion did.
-Both Raichi and Gasts are the last specimens of their respective races. They have no ill will towards each other and perhaps even have a understanding of each other. I do not see Gast killing Raichi. I would say I do not see Raichi killing Gast either, except for the fact he'd be a really formidable Ghost for the new round.
-With the above things said, I don't think a Namekian who he didn't even know before could generate much resentment in Raichi, not even if he lost. I do not see a Hatchiyack arising because Gast defeats him. Hatchiyack's physical form is basically an anti-Saiyan Broly, who only things in mutilating saiyans. Making him appear before a Namekian would be incredibly lackluster.
-Knowing this, I believe Raichi will defeat Gast in his current form. How? I don't know. Perhaps with a really effective formation of Ghosts, or perhaps The Majin Rebellion happens before his fight, with a few high-tier casualties, boosting his ghost power once again.
About Gast... -He is at least at high tier SSJ3 level. There are minor indications he may be higher than that, but none of that is truly concrete. I am thinking about him just acting unphased about basically everything (I attribute this to a Zen Nature/Meditation) and stopping Buu (this I attribute to some genius wizardry instead of raw power.)
-His initial level was likely even lower than base Bra (when he killed the Cold family in his universe). The people that say he may be on SSJ2 Vegetto level often use the argument Namekian fusion is the strongest of all, but they forget that even when that could be true, it only put him at Semi-Perfect Cell level. Meaning, most of his current power is not due to fusion but training and battle instead.
-That being said, I think he could possibly be slightly above Mystic Gohan level. But SSJ2 Vegetto seems really unlikely to me.
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Post by Archon on Aug 17, 2016 8:51:38 GMT
I'm mainly looking forward to just seeing Gast's powers in battle period. Up until now he hasn't exerted himself. Same with Raichi. We saw him get somewhat near his limit against Vegeta but it's clear he's very intelligent with his tactics.
One thing I'm not sure about is Hirudegarn. Would Raichi be able to use him? I mean he clearly died in the fight with Cell but Hirudegarn is almost a magical creature. Weak to emotions and has very odd properties in general. No doubt Raichi could make something akin to him but would it be the same?
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Aug 17, 2016 8:54:41 GMT
I'm mainly looking forward to just seeing Gast's powers in battle period. Up until now he hasn't exerted himself. Same with Raichi. We saw him get somewhat near his limit against Vegeta but it's clear he's very intelligent with his tactics. One thing I'm not sure about is Hirudegarn. Would Raichi be able to use him? I mean he clearly died in the fight with Cell but Hirudegarn is almost a magical creature. Weak to emotions and has very odd properties in general. No doubt Raichi could make something akin to him but would it be the same? I'd be inclined to think he can. Let's remember that it's precisely thanks to him that Tapion was able to contain him without getting killed or rampaging everything around him. We haven't seen Raichi using magic yet, but his ghost necromancer-stuff is bordering magic (scienmajism perhaps?). He also had the Ghost of the tranny chick. While she wasn't displayed using that ability as a Ghost, she mentioned changing sexes with Vegeta again, hinting that the Ghosts with magical abilities, can actually use them. Here's the tranny chick referencing her use of magic as a Ghost: And, I also almost forgot, that one of his shittiest ghosts (Raditz from U3) was able to contain a part of a still alive Hildegarn inside himself (!!) If this is something to base ourselves in, then a Ghost Hildegarn should be entirely possible.
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Post by wavesblade on Aug 17, 2016 10:12:13 GMT
I Was thinking that both Bulla AND Vegeta were going to lose because of Bardock's vision of Piccalo saying that only his will keeps them alive.
But with the current chapter, Cold is pretty much done, I could be wrong about that, but, kinda doubt it at this point.
Which means the vision is probably about something going on post tournament.
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Post by Archon on Aug 17, 2016 13:09:07 GMT
I'm mainly looking forward to just seeing Gast's powers in battle period. Up until now he hasn't exerted himself. Same with Raichi. We saw him get somewhat near his limit against Vegeta but it's clear he's very intelligent with his tactics. One thing I'm not sure about is Hirudegarn. Would Raichi be able to use him? I mean he clearly died in the fight with Cell but Hirudegarn is almost a magical creature. Weak to emotions and has very odd properties in general. No doubt Raichi could make something akin to him but would it be the same? I'd be inclined to think he can. Let's remember that it's precisely thanks to him that Tapion was able to contain him without getting killed or rampaging everything around him. We haven't seen Raichi using magic yet, but his ghost necromancer-stuff is bordering magic (scienmajism perhaps?). He also had the Ghost of the tranny chick. While she wasn't displayed using that ability as a Ghost, she mentioned changing sexes with Vegeta again, hinting that the Ghosts with magical abilities, can actually use them. Here's the tranny chick referencing her use of magic as a Ghost: And, I also almost forgot, that one of his shittiest ghosts (Raditz from U3) was able to contain a part of a still alive Hildegarn inside himself (!!) If this is something to base ourselves in, then a Ghost Hildegarn should be entirely possible. I forgot about that gender swap chick lol Yeah I suppose it's possible. One thing I'm worried about (although not too much) is how far Salagir will extend Raichi's ability to make the ghosts surpass the original (ie Frieza using Cooler's augmentation form, Saiyans going SS3 when they didn't normally etc) cuz depending how far he can push that he might be a bit OP.
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Post by kinnikuman on Aug 17, 2016 13:13:01 GMT
I'd be inclined to think he can. Let's remember that it's precisely thanks to him that Tapion was able to contain him without getting killed or rampaging everything around him. We haven't seen Raichi using magic yet, but his ghost necromancer-stuff is bordering magic (scienmajism perhaps?). He also had the Ghost of the tranny chick. While she wasn't displayed using that ability as a Ghost, she mentioned changing sexes with Vegeta again, hinting that the Ghosts with magical abilities, can actually use them. Here's the tranny chick referencing her use of magic as a Ghost: And, I also almost forgot, that one of his shittiest ghosts (Raditz from U3) was able to contain a part of a still alive Hildegarn inside himself (!!) If this is something to base ourselves in, then a Ghost Hildegarn should be entirely possible. I forgot about that gender swap chick lol Yeah I suppose it's possible. One thing I'm worried about (although not too much) is how far Salagir will extend Raichi's ability to make the ghosts surpass the original (ie Frieza using Cooler's augmentation form, Saiyans going SS3 when they didn't normally etc) cuz depending how far he can push that he might be a bit OP. I know right. Imagine a 6th form Cell. (And don't laugh he does have Freezia dna) or how about SSJ3 Bra? what if he has a Ghost Gast fuse with more ghost Namekians? I think he might be a force to be feared.
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Post by Archon on Aug 17, 2016 13:25:36 GMT
I forgot about that gender swap chick lol Yeah I suppose it's possible. One thing I'm worried about (although not too much) is how far Salagir will extend Raichi's ability to make the ghosts surpass the original (ie Frieza using Cooler's augmentation form, Saiyans going SS3 when they didn't normally etc) cuz depending how far he can push that he might be a bit OP. I know right. Imagine a 6th form Cell. (And don't laugh he does have Freezia dna) or how about SSJ3 Bra? what if he has a Ghost Gast fuse with more ghost Namekians? I think he might be a force to be feared. That's another thing. If Bra does somehow die during the next few fights would her ghost be able to go SS2 or higher without losing control? Also since Gotenks learned that new fusion dance from Zen Buu could Raichi exploit that to power up his Saiyans?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 20:54:25 GMT
My prediction for the very next page is we are left with a massive cliffhanger. Salagir loves doing those.
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Post by Super Saiyan PINK Goku Black on Aug 17, 2016 21:39:47 GMT
My prediction for the very next page is we are left with a massive cliffhanger. Salagir loves doing those. My serious prediction. Upper panels show Bra hacking off Kold's tail. A big ass, like 2/3 page big panel beneath that, reveals the tail swipe as a diversion to get her attention by showing us the Shroedinger's 4th Kienzan hauling ass at her exposed back and about to make contact while she's still mid-swing. And my TFS prediction: Kold's tail slaps Bra out of the sky, mid swing, at the last possible moment. Both of them struggle to rise as the " DCC" crumble away, while Bra is more than a little dazed from the blow. Bra: " Your tail... how DARE you slap me with your tail?!" King Kold: " Hah... Haaah... That ain't actually a 'tail'..." A beat... ... ... Bra: " ...Uuuwaaaaaaaaaaaahhh!!" ...To be continued.
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Post by SyriasDBM on Aug 17, 2016 22:09:02 GMT
the way the current chapter turns into a cliffhanger, i kinda think its going to be like:
cold spears and nearly kills Bra, Bra slices and nearly kills Cold. Cold faints due to blood loss, Bra pops her last senzu, which does not heal her but tides her over the 30 seconds. then she collapses.
but all this will happen after the special.
i think next page will be "top panel : downward slcicing crescent spirit blade - bottom panel: upwards speeding tail-spike" and thats it. no hint at who hits who first.
im probably wrong anyway.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Aug 17, 2016 22:21:11 GMT
I forgot about that gender swap chick lol Yeah I suppose it's possible. One thing I'm worried about (although not too much) is how far Salagir will extend Raichi's ability to make the ghosts surpass the original (ie Frieza using Cooler's augmentation form, Saiyans going SS3 when they didn't normally etc) cuz depending how far he can push that he might be a bit OP. I think this only applies to Cold demons (it is implied this happens due to 'mutation' whatever that means) as in new transformation. If he could haxxor all ghosts like that, then his U3 Saiyantroop would have all turned into SSJ (yet only Broly did). Surpass the original, in regards to other species may mean (or not) a foreshadowing for: -No time-limit for Vegeta SSJ3 -No time-limit for Ghost fusions (though I don't think he can fuse any random ghost). Say, if U16 Gotenks gets killed, he may use him for an undetermined time. He may not fuse U3 Kakaroto and Vegeta. He also may not use individual Goten and Trunks (unless they are killed individually, though it's debatable if they can fuse in such instance). -If fat Buu dies, he may be able to use him to fight seriously (which we never saw, as when he was truly angry he divided into Evil Buu) -If Uub dies, he could use him at maximum Kaioken for undetermined time. -Perhaps can restore the tail of his SSJ ghosts after seeing it during Kakaroto U13 fight.
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Post by Archon on Aug 17, 2016 22:44:33 GMT
I forgot about that gender swap chick lol Yeah I suppose it's possible. One thing I'm worried about (although not too much) is how far Salagir will extend Raichi's ability to make the ghosts surpass the original (ie Frieza using Cooler's augmentation form, Saiyans going SS3 when they didn't normally etc) cuz depending how far he can push that he might be a bit OP. I think this only applies to Cold demons (it is implied this happens due to 'mutation' whatever that means) as in new transformation. If he could haxxor all ghosts like that, then his U3 Saiyantroop would have all turned into SSJ (yet only Broly did). Surpass the original, in regards to other species may mean (or not) a foreshadowing for: -No time-limit for Vegeta SSJ3 -No time-limit for Ghost fusions (though I don't think he can fuse any random ghost). Say, if U16 Gotenks gets killed, he may use him for an undetermined time. He may not fuse U3 Kakaroto and Vegeta. He also may not use individual Goten and Trunks (unless they are killed individually, though it's debatable if they can fuse in such instance). -If fat Buu dies, he may be able to use him to fight seriously (which we never saw, as when he was truly angry he divided into Evil Buu) -If Uub dies, he could use him at maximum Kaioken for undetermined time. -Perhaps can restore the tail of his SSJ ghosts after seeing it during Kakaroto U13 fight. It's possible he didn't want to reveal all his Saiyans could go super until he absolutely had to (or maybe Zen Buu gives him power?) And using Broly might have just been a scare tactic because everyone saw how powerful he was.
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Post by Akroma on Aug 17, 2016 23:15:05 GMT
Random, Not-Serious Ideas:
--If Vegito goes on a rampage, he'll be stopped by the good guys de-fusing him into Goku and Vegeta...causing immense psychological trauma to U16 Bra. I don't think so. First, because what you said: it would deal a terrible psychological trauma to Bra (maybe an irreversible trauma). Goku, as the more ethical, would be the first against this method, because of this. The kaioshins are cowards against threats greater than them, they do anything when scared, even an unescrupulous act (like killing a baby), but not Goku. Goku would do the impossible to not harm an innocent person. Second, I think it is impossible defuse Vegetto now. He said to Uub (novel) "After 20 years, I'm a complete person now. Goku and Vegeta are dead". Perhaps after all this time the fusion turned impossible to revert and the souls of Goku and Vegeta went sent to the other world (and Janemba's movie could happen at this scenario). And Vegetto is now definitely a third person. Third, it would be a shame to stop an enraged Vegetto by defusing him. Everyone want to see a Gogeta x Vegetto battle, although I think Gogeta is no match to Vegetto. Unless Salagir uses SSj4 Gogeta.
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Post by Dr. Wheelo on Aug 17, 2016 23:25:34 GMT
I forgot about that gender swap chick lol Yeah I suppose it's possible. One thing I'm worried about (although not too much) is how far Salagir will extend Raichi's ability to make the ghosts surpass the original (ie Frieza using Cooler's augmentation form, Saiyans going SS3 when they didn't normally etc) cuz depending how far he can push that he might be a bit OP. He has to be OP considering he's sharing a bracket with Super Buu, XXI, Bra, and Gast. I think the scary thing about him is that he'll continue to grow stronger and stronger the more people die and the more hate energy he obstains from the events. While he's probably not at that level right now, he easily has potential to be a threat rivaling Buu or XXI if the right person dies, someone takes out Vegetto for instance and he'd instantly become the most dangerous dude in the tournament. Cell is likely to die against Vegeta since he isn't the type to give up and he'd come back from anything short of being destroyed so at the least if Raichi survives this round he could have a Broly, U13 Vegeta, U3 Vegeta, Cell, Cell Jr., Hirudegarn, and Hatchiyack lineup which would be pretty devastating.
As far as predictions for outside the matches, I feel we have to have Raditz try to overthrow U13 Vegeta at some point, with his unlocked potential and Vegeta's SSJ3 it should be an interesting clash
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Post by Veya on Aug 18, 2016 4:40:18 GMT
A more close-encounter prediction...
Current page, we see Bra powering up her attack, about to cut down Cold, next page she swings down, and we just hear a "crush" sound effect, we move into U16's special, we get to see a bit more of Bra, who she actually is when in her everyday life, and maybe a few key events that shaped her personality and so on, then finally the first page of the next chapter... it shows she did not hit Cold at all, she hit the ground of the arena, she simply tells the ref Cold is immobilized and to start the countdown, the count starts and finishes without Cold being able to get out, once the countdown is over, Bra does something to dispel her technique and free Cold, felling humiliated, Cold refuses healing from the tournament organizers and simply moves to his ship, cue to the vision of him in the healing chamber, back to Bra, she tries to play tough, but Gohan(who seem more attuned to her emotions than Vegeto) is able to see through her and we learn that Cold did humble her, just not quite the way we expected, that she realized she was plain too prideful in accepting the bet and that this was one of the few times in her life daddy doesn't got her back, that all the trash talk she was throwing at Cold was just that, meaningless trash talk to make herself feel better, that she was ready to accept the loss to Cold, even death, but it clicked with her that because of her promise she couldn't afford to lose, that she absolutely hates that she used a senzu, but that she couldn't afford to not use a senzu.
I dunno... the stalling of the current page... it seems they want to end on the cliffhanger of the technique being used, and this would feel like such an organic thing to lead one thing into another like this, it almost feels too well planned, almost as if Salagir was lying to us about the U16 special being the only one to keep the fires down until this moment was unfolded, I know it is a long shot, but it would just feel so natural...
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Post by Archon on Aug 18, 2016 5:08:35 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong if you see this Stouty22 but I remember you saying Salagir has most of this stuff finished quite a while ahead of schedule? If that is the case he very well might have planned this for some time, Veya.
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