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Post by The Masterman on Sept 1, 2016 9:28:29 GMT
Got a major prediction for chapter 54:
Bra is forcing emotions out, like Gohan at the beginning of dbz while enraged she'll have no control in SS1 like she doesn't currently in SS2, she respects Gohan because he's about to find out this first hand and will have to knock her out and force her dad to train her.
This could also be why Vegitto holds back so she won't go all out as well and lose herself.
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Post by fooshin on Sept 1, 2016 23:52:20 GMT
Major shot in the dark here but when piccolo says that all the universes are in danger it could be Ikl. He's about to be born and he could be the catastrophe we're all expecting to stop the tournament. Why would all the universes be in danger? Because he's about to be born in nearly all universes at the same time.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Sept 5, 2016 0:26:56 GMT
Major shot in the dark here but when piccolo says that all the universes are in danger it could be Ikl. He's about to be born and he could be the catastrophe we're all expecting to stop the tournament. Why would all the universes be in danger? Because he's about to be born in nearly all universes at the same time. IKL is just likely a worm without a considerable power level for the tournament. He has likely already been sent back to his universe. I theorize this universe is the Cell U17 true origin. There, he killed Trunks to steal his machine (which made him end in universe 17/18), which in turn had already killed 17 and 18 in some sort of way. Therefore, no one higher than android powertier is alive in such universe. Perhaps only Broly who is just chilling with his dad far away. This IKL could be Yamcha or Krillin level and still technically be the strongest fighter in the universe.
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Post by fooshin on Sept 5, 2016 2:22:08 GMT
Khan,
I'm one of those with the time travel comprehension issues but can you tell me what the deal is with babidi's group in ikl's universe? Also the the kais and kibito.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Sept 5, 2016 2:29:04 GMT
Khan, I'm one of those with the time travel comprehension issues but can you tell me what the deal is with babidi's group in ikl's universe? Also the the kais and kibito. Likely still alive in universe 15, since Buu is dead (U15 is a Mirai universe):
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Post by fooshin on Sept 5, 2016 5:54:54 GMT
Khan,
Oh yeah, forgot about that, thanks.
I guess that leaves kibito and the various ruling kais but I'm assuming the u1 kais didn't want any other kais in the tournament as they surely exist in a bunch of these universes.
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Post by Son Pan on Sept 10, 2016 5:29:10 GMT
Bra's anger issues will come to head at the tournament. In one of her matches she'll lose it go SS2 and go on rampage killing contestants and Vargus alike until she is subdued. The Kais seeing how unstable and dangerous Bra is decree that Bra to be executed for the good of all universes. Vegetto will object and attack the Kais for trying to harm his daughter. Gohan tries to step in to stop him he starts choking Gohan just like in Bardock's vision.
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Post by kinnikuman on Sept 10, 2016 17:56:43 GMT
Bra's anger issues will come to head at the tournament. In one of her matches she'll lose it go SS2 and go on rampage killing contestants and Vargus alike until she is subdued. The Kais seeing how unstable and dangerous Bra is decree that Bra to be executed for the good of all universes. Vegetto will object and attack the Kais for trying to harm his daughter. Gohan tries to step in to stop him he starts choking Gohan just like in Bardock's vision. I love this idea. Maybe having XXi joining with Vegetto and stop any of the Vargus from escaping or sending the people home to safety?
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Post by Ashanark on Sept 10, 2016 18:44:04 GMT
Bra's anger issues will come to head at the tournament. In one of her matches she'll lose it go SS2 and go on rampage killing contestants and Vargus alike until she is subdued. The Kais seeing how unstable and dangerous Bra is decree that Bra to be executed for the good of all universes. Vegetto will object and attack the Kais for trying to harm his daughter. Gohan tries to step in to stop him he starts choking Gohan just like in Bardock's vision. Piccolo's line "Only my will keeps you alive, remember that and be civil!" could refer to such a situation.
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Post by fooshin on Sept 11, 2016 0:02:56 GMT
That is a pretty cool theory. I'm assuming this last page inspired it but going off how quickly she snapped out of it in space I wouldn't think it's likely. She's clearly a "good guy" although she's also not completely pure so I'd still think Majin is a strong possibility. Maybe that would be what might cause her to fulfill your scenerio.
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Post by Dr. Wheelo on Sept 11, 2016 1:08:59 GMT
To me it seems kind of out of character for the Kais to suddenly decide Bra needs to be executed for the sake of all universes. They had no problem just sending Broly home, have no problems with allowing Babidi, Bojack, or the Cold Empire to live, and are allowing Super Buu to stay in the tournament after his outburst. If they suddenly decide that Bra needs to die because she has anger issues and lost control, even though she doesn't even have access to the multiversal tech and there's even greater evils present, then that would just feel like forced tension to me. U16 Gohan actually gave the Kaioshins a rundown of their history and all of the universes he knew of at the tournament, they should know U16 isn't one that would go out and threaten the multiverse.
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Post by GreatWyrmGold on Sept 12, 2016 13:46:40 GMT
I essentially agree, though my reasons for suspecting Bra's victory are more along the lines of pessimism about her character than thinking Gast will forfeit. My intuition is that something will go down just before Goku fights Vegeta. Sadly, DBM doesn't seem too big on character development. Wouldn't surprise me. That could be nice. "Mwahaha! Now I'm the strongest in the universe!" "We've made a terrible mistake." That would be interesting. Well, the set-up would be. That would be amusing. Goku vs Uub... Surpise of the century Uub Wins. He has better ki sense then Gohan. (Sensing bra was still alive) And took down buu. Don't underestimate him. 1. The same Buu that Goku curbstomped in SSJ3? And Uub barely beat him? 2. It's sadly rare for Dragon-Ball-verse fights to be won on tactics or special abilities rather than strength. Salagir doesn't seem to be changing this. Exceptions exist, but they're exceptions. Is....is that official? Cuz it sure looks like it lol That's awesome! Bra unhurt killing a creature twice her power level without a sweat like a boss... Yep it's most likely official. I mean if it made sense or made Cold actually useful I might doubt it.. but yeah it's most likely true. I wish that statements like this weren't so accurate. Cold healed from the earlier attack claims Bra left the stadium to get senzu beans during the fight, Unable to prove she didn't Bra is disqualified.... and all hell breaks loose. Even if that wasn't a blatant lie and didn't lack evidence...it's Bra. do you really think Salagir would let her get disqualified by a lie? I'm not sure she's get disqualified for actually breaking the rules! -Raichi may use Hildegarn in the same method Tapion did in this round, thereby eliminating any possibility of haxxor shortcuts such as "dodging all the ghosts and vaporizing Raichi". Hildegarn can turn into smoke. Now we also have to take into account Raichi has full control of his ghosts. Therefore Hildegarn would be used as a mecha, 1000 times more effective than what Tapion did. I'm not sure Raichi can do that; that's a trick Buu gave to the guy who Hirudegarn's spirit was bound to. I'd be surprised if Raichi could put himself inside Hirudegarn. I do not see that making a difference. It shouldn't be hard to win without killing him. Another 'outside-of-tournament' prediction, involving XXI: Yamcha will be the one defeating him! Or at least he will have the upper hand for some time. How so? Well, it appears in Baddack's visions that (according to Piccolo or maybe Gast) something or someone will threaten all the universes so it most likely involve the Tournament. In the vision, Yamcha is telling someone (possibly the threat): 'you defeated everybody but you can't even touch me'. Who could he be talking to? I guess it could be Vegetto or Buu running out of ki after defeating a bunch of other fighters but I doubt it. XXI running out of magic and getting finally exposed would make more sense to me as he's not a fighter (as far as we're concerned) and he would possibly be vulnerable to any fighter still standing. Yamcha's reaction to 18's defeat could be a foreshadow of the drama between them. I like where this is going, XXI had to use a shutdown switch to defeat 18, Yamcha may not be affected by such a thing, due to it being likely that U9 Bulma removed it, along with the bomb. While the scene where he's asking how to defeat 18 was likely shown that he gets help from some mysterious being, why couldn't he just send 18 to the same dimension Vegitto was? It seems like it would be effective against most opponents, even by increasing the rate of time passing. The more I think about it, XXI either can't use the same "Magic" twice, or that cyborg/androids aren't affected by his magic. Or XXI doesn't want to be called a one-trick pony. Or asking for a disable-switch and pressing a button is easier than sending someone to an alternate dimension. Or maybe XXI knows 18 couldn't return, and doesn't want to kill/permanently remove/whatever her. Bra's anger issues will come to head at the tournament. In one of her matches she'll lose it go SS2 and go on rampage killing contestants and Vargus alike until she is subdued. The Kais seeing how unstable and dangerous Bra is decree that Bra to be executed for the good of all universes. Vegetto will object and attack the Kais for trying to harm his daughter. Gohan tries to step in to stop him he starts choking Gohan just like in Bardock's vision. While (some variation of) this might be interesting, I don't see Salagir properly addressing the fact that Bra is a terrible person in-comic, and I certainly don't see him having planned to do so. My predictions (assuming nothing weird goes on in the rest of the tournament, which is probably the least sensible assumption since "Nothing major will change in the next century or so"): Gast vs. Raichi:Last time, Raichi had the Cold family, a bunch of Saiyans, a few Bojackers, Jeice, Pan, Sauza, Syd, and the Cell Junior which Gast killed easily. That last one was the only one to seriously challenge Vegeta (though a Bojacker got a good hit in), so it's fair to say that none of these would be anything but roadblocks to Gast. If I recall correctly, the only new people Raichi would have are Hirudegarn and (probably) U8 King Cold. If we believe Salagir's official power tier chart, Gast is much stronger than SSJ2 Bra; if we believe the comic itself, base-form Bra is about as strong as Cold's most powerful form. I don't see Cold being a problem. Hirudegarn isn't on the list, but I suspect he's not in the "SSJ6" tier. Overall...I don't see Raichi pulling out ahead. Maybe his Hatchiyack thing will turn out to be strong enough to challenge Gast, but...well, first I'd question why he didn't use that to begin with (as I often do), and second wouldn't that technically be an ally Raichi brought into the arena instead of summoning? So, yeah. Gast Carolh wins this fight. Goku vs. Uub:Sorry, Uub. You struggle against even Buu, you're not gonna beat Goku. Also, Goku's Goku. Vegeta vs. Cell:We don't have any good way to compare their strength, but I'm willing to guess that Vegeta wins, both because he's a main character and because it means Goku vs. Vegeta. Though I could also see Vegeta seeming to win, gloating about getting to fight Goku, and then getting killed/KO'd by Cell. XXI vs Buu:XXI has been asking for easy ways to beat his previous competitors, and none of them have been very unpredictable. There are a few possibilities which immediately come to mind—Bibidi's Binding, Mafuba, send something to defuse Buu and have the little guy disqualify its full self—but one way or another, Buu's not getting past this round. Bra vs. Gast:This depends a lot on if Salagir actually cares about Bra's character development more than he cares about Bra. Right now, whether it's by Bra beating Gast up somehow or Gast forfeiting after trying to humble Bra, I'm guessing Bra's going to be continuing. Goku vs. Vegeta:"Different timeline, same results, eh, best buddy?"XXI vs. Bra:Let's be real, the tournament's not going this far (if only to preserve Bra's ego). But someone who get whatever he needs to win versus someone with the author's favor? It's hard to say who might win this. I'd hope XXI, but who knows? Goku vs. XXI:This is probably happening, regardless of if the tournament finishes. And let's be real, the heroes are going to win. Now, for other things that I expect to happen... From Bardock's first vision, we know that Vegetto will go on a rampage, something happens that endangers the universes, and Goku will befriend a Cell Junior. From his second, we see confirmation that Vegetto rampages, Gohan breaks a dragon ball to prevent someone getting a wish, Yamcha boasts of his untouchability to someone who's been beating people up, and a Piccolo says that only his will keeps a Bra (probably U16) and a Vegeta (U18 or similar) alive. Let's try to figure out what's going on. Something pisses Vegetto off, enough to make him strangle his half-son (or is that U18 Gohan?) and threaten to kill everyone. Since Vegetto's been angry before without killing anyone at all, it's probably some beef with the gods that he thinks threatening to kill everyone will solve...that, or he's under the control of Babidi. He's a fusion of a Goku and a seemingly-unredeemed Vegeta—he probably has enough evil in him to control. Of course, Babidi's hiding the Majin marks, so no one can tell. He and other powerful, partly-evil fighters get controlled all at once, with Bra holding out the longest. Either somehow people think they're responsible for their actions after the control is broken, or the control is broken but people are afraid that it will get re-established. Either way, Piccolo objects to the idea of killing/deporting/whatever them, so Gast/the kaioshins/Buu/whatever somehow tie the lives of the possessed fighters to Piccolo's life and/or "will". Maybe Gohan breaks the Dragon Ball to stop Babidi from wishing anything. That could be the event that endangers the multiverse, but I doubt it—Babidi seems like bit villain/pawn material. So instead, I suspect that this whole kerfuffle just delays the tournament to give the real villain(s)—probably including XXI—a chance to prepare whatever plans they have. Those plans involve endangering the multiverses, Dragon Balls, and someone who only Yamcha can defeat. Or at least who Yamcha thinks he can defeat—I wouldn't be too surprised if Yamcha got Yamcha'd. Beyond that...I dunno. I know what I'd do if I was writing this, but I also know that Salagir writes nothing like how I do.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Sept 13, 2016 5:02:22 GMT
GreatWyrmGold . Why wouldn't he? It wasn't any specific technique Buu gave to Tapion, just a hint on a better use (similar to what he said to Cold, very different from what he did to Uub or Gotenks). I am pretty sure Raichi is smart enough to have figured that out just by watching. As I said, Tapion had the disadvantage of not being under control, but Raichi's ghosts are totally under his control. He could use Hildegarn as a Mecha Shield/Megazord. It may not happen exactly like this, but it is totally within the realm of probabilities and I'd gather to say it's a big one. Let's remember it's only because of Raichi's science talent that Tapion can walk around with Hildegarn inside and unleash it when he pleases. That + the fact Hildy is a ghost now, should mean even higher control.
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Post by Ashanark on Sept 13, 2016 5:33:33 GMT
GreatWyrmGold . Why wouldn't he? It wasn't any specific technique Buu gave to Tapion, just a hint on a better use (similar to what he said to Cold, very different from what he did to Uub or Gotenks). I am pretty sure Raichi is smart enough to have figured that out just by watching. As I said, Tapion had the disadvantage of not being under control, but Raichi's ghosts are totally under his control. He could use Hildegarn as a Mecha Shield/Megazord. It may not happen exactly like this, but it is totally within the realm of probabilities and I'd gather to say it's a big one. Let's remember it's only because of Raichi's science talent that Tapion can walk around with Hildegarn inside and unleash it when he pleases. That + the fact Hildy is a ghost now, should mean even higher control. When Raichi sees someone die and makes their ghost, doesn't he also get access to any knowledge that person had? That's why he was able to try a nostalgia tactic against Vegeta, after all. If so, then even if Raichi couldn't figure out Tapion's technique just by watching, Raichi should still get that knowledge from Tapion's ghost. Quite honestly I think Raichi knows that no-nonsense Gast won't let himself get baited into a long fight like U13 Vegeta and will instead go straight for the KO; getting Hirudegarn to tank for him would be a very high priority, and with the degree of control he has over his ghosts, I wouldn't be surprised if Raichi can pull off the Hirudegarn-shield better than Tapion did.
He's also got SS3 U13 Vegeta to be a heavy-hitter, and that's not even resorting to Hatchiyak. I know that Salagir said once upon a time that Gast was Vegito-tier strength, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's since reconsidered--he did something similar for South Kai, after all. All this just makes Gast vs. Raichi a really tough fight to call.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Sept 13, 2016 6:04:36 GMT
GreatWyrmGold . Why wouldn't he? It wasn't any specific technique Buu gave to Tapion, just a hint on a better use (similar to what he said to Cold, very different from what he did to Uub or Gotenks). I am pretty sure Raichi is smart enough to have figured that out just by watching. As I said, Tapion had the disadvantage of not being under control, but Raichi's ghosts are totally under his control. He could use Hildegarn as a Mecha Shield/Megazord. It may not happen exactly like this, but it is totally within the realm of probabilities and I'd gather to say it's a big one. Let's remember it's only because of Raichi's science talent that Tapion can walk around with Hildegarn inside and unleash it when he pleases. That + the fact Hildy is a ghost now, should mean even higher control. When Raichi sees someone die and makes their ghost, doesn't he also get access to any knowledge that person had? That's why he was able to try a nostalgia tactic against Vegeta, after all. If so, then even if Raichi couldn't figure out Tapion's technique just by watching, Raichi should still get that knowledge from Tapion's ghost. Quite honestly I think Raichi knows that no-nonsense Gast won't let himself get baited into a long fight like U13 Vegeta and will instead go straight for the KO; getting Hirudegarn to tank for him would be a very high priority, and with the degree of control he has over his ghosts, I wouldn't be surprised if Raichi can pull off the Hirudegarn-shield better than Tapion did.
He's also got SS3 U13 Vegeta to be a heavy-hitter, and that's not even resorting to Hatchiyak. I know that Salagir said once upon a time that Gast was Vegito-tier strength, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's since reconsidered--he did something similar for South Kai, after all. All this just makes Gast vs. Raichi a really tough fight to call.Was South Kai powered down? Isn't he around SSJ3 level now? The logic was that he never tried to absorb Goku when he was kid Buu, but he did with South Kai (and Supreme Fat Kai).
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Post by Ashanark on Sept 13, 2016 6:24:04 GMT
Was South Kai powered down? Isn't he around SSJ3 level now? The logic was that he never tried to absorb Goku when he was kid Buu, but he did with South Kai (and Supreme Fat Kai). In the Bonus section of the DBM website, there's a little entry for South Kai. Salagir initially puts him at over SS3, but then there's an edit where he says he needs to reconsider, because East Kai was impressed by SS3 and wouldn't have been if South Kai was stronger. I think Salagir had this change of opinion before the second round happened, because South Kai has a lot of trouble with a not-serious Fat Buu, who is weaker than the Kid Buu that SS3 Goku fought about evenly with.
A lot of Gast's "power-indicator" moments happened earlier in the tournament: noticing Mystic Gohan, saying "..." when Vegito goes SS2, covering his face when Vegito goes SS3. It's been a long time since then, though, and we've seen Gast get hurt by a SS2-level Cell Jr. in the meantime. So either Gast's seriously suppressing himself, Frieza-style, or Salagir's nerfed him since the Vegito/Broly fight.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Sept 13, 2016 6:40:54 GMT
Was South Kai powered down? Isn't he around SSJ3 level now? The logic was that he never tried to absorb Goku when he was kid Buu, but he did with South Kai (and Supreme Fat Kai). In the Bonus section of the DBM website, there's a little entry for South Kai. Salagir initially puts him at over SS3, but then there's an edit where he says he needs to reconsider, because East Kai was impressed by SS3 and wouldn't have been if South Kai was stronger. I think Salagir had this change of opinion before the second round happened, because South Kai has a lot of trouble with a not-serious Fat Buu, who is weaker than the Kid Buu that SS3 Goku fought about evenly with.
A lot of Gast's "power-indicator" moments happened earlier in the tournament: noticing Mystic Gohan, saying "..." when Vegito goes SS2, covering his face when Vegito goes SS3. It's been a long time since then, though, and we've seen Gast get hurt by a SS2-level Cell Jr. in the meantime. So either Gast's seriously suppressing himself, Frieza-style, or Salagir's nerfed him since the Vegito/Broly fight."Edit: After some talks, seems like it's not such a good idea, because it adds inconcistencies. Why didn't he took out the Z-sword (a SSJ3 can easily do so), why East Kaioshin is so astonished by SSJ3 if his old friend was as strong... I don't know what I will decide for his powerlevel yet." Well, there are no inconsistencies to me. Kais already mentioned that there's the possibility the Z-word was blocked for all Kais and that a mortal needed to do it (they commented this during the Videl's fight and he was present.) More precisely, this happened during the novel as I can't find the exact quote in the comic. As for the east Kaioshin being impressed by SSJ3... well. It could have been he was impressed because he thought it was impossible a person from the realm of the mortals could reach such heights. Not even himself (East Kaio) was a lot above Android level.
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Post by fooshin on Sept 13, 2016 12:55:02 GMT
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Post by Dr. Wheelo on Sept 14, 2016 6:29:58 GMT
When Raichi sees someone die and makes their ghost, doesn't he also get access to any knowledge that person had? That's why he was able to try a nostalgia tactic against Vegeta, after all. If so, then even if Raichi couldn't figure out Tapion's technique just by watching, Raichi should still get that knowledge from Tapion's ghost. Quite honestly I think Raichi knows that no-nonsense Gast won't let himself get baited into a long fight like U13 Vegeta and will instead go straight for the KO; getting Hirudegarn to tank for him would be a very high priority, and with the degree of control he has over his ghosts, I wouldn't be surprised if Raichi can pull off the Hirudegarn-shield better than Tapion did.
No-nonsense Gast has actually put up with a good bit of nonsense. The guy let Frieza transform to his strongest before finishing him off, decided to fight Cell Jr. for the hell of it even though he would have already won through DQ, and intentionally handicapped himself in the King Piccolo fight to make things more interesting, acting like a large ham in the process. He went straight for the kill against Cooler (possibly because his relation to the man who effectively wiped out his race by creating him) and captured Buu (the threat level at that moment warranted it), but he has shown a sense of pride to him that it wouldn't be out of character for him to prolong a battle.
After seeing him play around with and give speeches to King Piccolo, a straight up villain who actually brags about how evil he is, I'd actually find it a bit shocking if he decided to go straight bloodthirsty murder mode against Raichi who is a much more sympathetic and less vile antagonist than the King. There actually is a big connecting them between the two that I figured would give them something of a mutual understanding between each other, and since we're in this thread I'll just throw in the prediction that the next chapter title has something to do with them being the last of their kind.
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Post by GreatWyrmGold on Sept 14, 2016 20:53:32 GMT
Why wouldn't he? It wasn't any specific technique Buu gave to Tapion, just a hint on a better use (similar to what he said to Cold, very different from what he did to Uub or Gotenks). I am pretty sure Raichi is smart enough to have figured that out just by watching. As I said, Tapion had the disadvantage of not being under control, but Raichi's ghosts are totally under his control. He could use Hildegarn as a Mecha Shield/Megazord. It may not happen exactly like this, but it is totally within the realm of probabilities and I'd gather to say it's a big one. Let's remember it's only because of Raichi's science talent that Tapion can walk around with Hildegarn inside and unleash it when he pleases. That + the fact Hildy is a ghost now, should mean even higher control. Before I start, let me make something clear. Ghost!Hirudegarn can almost certainly enshroud Ghost!Tapion, but probably not Raichi (ghost or otherwise). Even if Raichi doesn't understand how Tapion did it and doesn't get that knowledge from Hatchiyak, he can probably just tell Ghost!Tapion to do the thing. I'm not entirely sure if you thought I was disagreeing with that part or not, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to make sure you understood what I was saying. First off, I highly doubt Raichi would understand how Tapion did what he did just by watching. I mean, it's not like Hirudegarn is hollow inside (I assume). Something would need to provide Tapion's air, if Hirudegarn has any internal structure there would need to be provisions for it, and something would have to be done to protect Tapion when Hirudegarn goes insubstantial. Also, the fact that Tapion can't control Hirudegarn when he's in it but can when he isn't proves that the two are different on some fundamental level, rather than just "Hirudegarn manifests around Tapion instead of next to him". Not to mention that Tapion apparently never even thought about it before Buu came along. In any case, what makes you so sure Raichi would understand how to use that technique after watching it happen once? It's surely more than just saying very slightly different words ("Wrap me with...your aura! And fight for me!" rather than "Wrap me in your aura." followed by "Get out and fight for me!"). And even if he could, what makes you think he could modify it enough to protect not only Tapion (who, need I remind you, is bound to Hirudegarn) but also Raichi (who is not)? Raichi could probably figure out a way with enough time, resources, and cooperation from Tapion, but since his fight is mere hours after Tapion showed his new power (and less than a day after he gained it), he doesn't have any equipment save Hatchiyak and whatever the vargas lend him, and Tapion is dead, that seems unlikely. A lot of Gast's "power-indicator" moments happened earlier in the tournament: noticing Mystic Gohan, saying "..." when Vegito goes SS2, covering his face when Vegito goes SS3. It's been a long time since then, though, and we've seen Gast get hurt by a SS2-level Cell Jr. in the meantime. So either Gast's seriously suppressing himself, Frieza-style, or Salagir's nerfed him since the Vegito/Broly fight. Getting hurt a little when a weaker opponent catches you by surprise is hardly unique to Resurrection F. It has never been a prominent part of Dragon Ball or DBZ, but it's been there more often than it hasn't. And it makes sense; if you can be more vulnerable to attack by not fighting at full power, then the invulnerability (or at least reduced vulnerability) must have a conscious component. Also, in pages 488-9, Gast has a nonchalance more representative of overpowering, ah, power. No chance of that. Gogeta fighting in an actual round would be 100% against the rules. No way to pull that off. I highly doubt it's in the rules that the two competitors can't fuse during their fight. I don't know what they'd do, but... And since I'm the one you technically quoted, even though those don't look like my words...I suspect that it's more likely that Gogeta would be likelier to form to fight XXI outside of the tournament. And then XXI will be disqualified. When Raichi sees someone die and makes their ghost, doesn't he also get access to any knowledge that person had? That's why he was able to try a nostalgia tactic against Vegeta, after all. If so, then even if Raichi couldn't figure out Tapion's technique just by watching, Raichi should still get that knowledge from Tapion's ghost. Quite honestly I think Raichi knows that no-nonsense Gast won't let himself get baited into a long fight like U13 Vegeta and will instead go straight for the KO; getting Hirudegarn to tank for him would be a very high priority, and with the degree of control he has over his ghosts, I wouldn't be surprised if Raichi can pull off the Hirudegarn-shield better than Tapion did.
No-nonsense Gast has actually put up with a good bit of nonsense. The guy let Frieza transform to his strongest before finishing him off, decided to fight Cell Jr. for the hell of it even though he would have already won through DQ, and intentionally handicapped himself in the King Piccolo fight to make things more interesting, acting like a large ham in the process. He went straight for the kill against Cooler (possibly because his relation to the man who effectively wiped out his race by creating him) and captured Buu (the threat level at that moment warranted it), but he has shown a sense of pride to him that it wouldn't be out of character for him to prolong a battle.
After seeing him play around with and give speeches to King Piccolo, a straight up villain who actually brags about how evil he is, I'd actually find it a bit shocking if he decided to go straight bloodthirsty murder mode against Raichi who is a much more sympathetic and less vile antagonist than the King. There actually is a big connecting them between the two that I figured would give them something of a mutual understanding between each other, and since we're in this thread I'll just throw in the prediction that the next chapter title has something to do with them being the last of their kind.
I suspect that Gast agreed to fight CJ more because of all the people yelling at him to fight than any joy he'd derive from doing so. Gast does say he's "searching for a challenge where [he] can," but that sounds less like "enjoying the fight" and more like ennui. Not to mention that he seems to be more opportunistic challenge-seeker than active—ie, "Oh, this could be interesting" rather than "I'm bored, what can I do to make this interesting?" As for Frieza, it seems to be less "Gast allows Frieza to transform" and "Frieza is transforming very, very quickly". It can be hard to judge time in a comic, but if the transformations took as long as they did in the anime/manga, there would be some panels in between forms of Frieza powering up, Gast watching, etc. For the first transformation, we have only one panel of Frieza outgrowing his armor explosively; for the second, we don't even get that (just 3rd-form Frieza with a funny aura around him), and the third transformation happens some time between Gast shoving Frieza into a rock and Frieza bursting out. I don't see how getting punched a few times, answering a question, and ending the fight as soon as he could qualifies as being a "ham," so I'll assume that when you say that Gast was being hammy during his fight with King Piccolo, you were referring to the speech he gave to King Piccolo. There, he seemed to be "corrupting" Piccolo more than being a proud ham. His other actions don't really fit "hamminess," either, so it's fair to assume he isn't a ham. That's why he didn't go more or less straight for the throat like he did with the Cell Junior and tried to do with the Arcosians of his world. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that Gast is proud, or that pride leads to battle-lust. TL;DR: Gast isn't no-nonsense, but his behavior is consistent with putting up with much smaller quantities of nonsense than most of the competition.[/quote]
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