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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 22:01:26 GMT
After his failure to appear in the ToP I'd honestly given up hope for seeing Gogeta make an appearance. If true, this really could be an alternative to Goku just pulling out UI again as the only other conceivable way to beat him. I wonder how long the fusion would last for. SSJ3 Gotenks could only remain fused for five minutes so a SSJB should barely last a few seconds given how much stronger he is. In one of the old video game openings it was considered major wanking that SSJ Gogeta was struggling against Broly...now we're unsure if a Gogeta with a much more powerful form capable of destroying the universe is strong enough to defeat him! Assuming they make him like Fusion Reborn Gogeta and not GT SS4 Gogeta a few seconds is all Gogeta might need. ...which is also assuming that Gogeta would be strong enough to handle Broly like that in the first place. Then again I'd totally be down for another glorious HAKAI moment and having Beerus just get rid of him. That'd be neat. I so very much want this to happen. The teary eyed rage from Camp Brotard would reach levels not seen since Nov 8, 2016. #hakaiexmachina
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Aug 28, 2018 22:55:54 GMT
I wonder how long the fusion would last for. SSJ3 Gotenks could only remain fused for five minutes so a SSJB should barely last a few seconds given how much stronger he is. In one of the old video game openings it was considered major wanking that SSJ Gogeta was struggling against Broly...now we're unsure if a Gogeta with a much more powerful form capable of destroying the universe is strong enough to defeat him! If Broly's power is constantly rising to where he overpowers ever form they throw at him, maybe they have to wait it out until he reaches his limit and gets exhausted like Kale in the manga. I hope that doesn't happen but I don't see them killing Broly without UI at least. I'm assuming the new side to Broly's character whatever it is will play a part in how the battle ends.
What-if they make it to where both fusions appear in the movie? Maybe we could get Gogeta, have it crap out after a few seconds to a minute, and then that forces Supreme Kai to come in with the save by delivering a pair of Potaras. Maybe even maybe on top of that we can get UI in one or both of those forms and they reveal that UI might be the key to using max power for a fusion more stably so that the fusion(s) last longer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 23:55:15 GMT
This is unrelated to the movie but since I brought up Xenoverse 2, I want to mention... for seemingly no reason at all, they changed Majin Vegeta's character name to "Prince of Destruction Vegeta". I... what? I am legitimately baffled at what and why that is. Did you not see all those people he destructed? Very Princely indeed. What-if they make it to where both fusions appear in the movie? Maybe we could get Gogeta, have it crap out after a few seconds to a minute, and then that forces Supreme Kai to come in with the save by delivering a pair of Potaras. Maybe even maybe on top of that we can get UI in one or both of those forms and they reveal that UI might be the key to using max power for a fusion more stably so that the fusion(s) last longer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 0:15:16 GMT
Then again I'd totally be down for another glorious HAKAI moment and having Beerus just get rid of him. That'd be neat. Would hakai work on someone stronger than Beerus? I assumed the reason they made Broly stronger than the Gods of Destruction was so it wouldn't be a repeat of RoF with Beerus hanging out in the background capable of killing the antagonist if he felt like it. If Broly is potentially threatening the entire universe, Beerus would have to get involved.
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Aug 29, 2018 0:23:41 GMT
What-if they make it to where both fusions appear in the movie? Maybe we could get Gogeta, have it crap out after a few seconds to a minute, and then that forces Supreme Kai to come in with the save by delivering a pair of Potaras. Maybe even maybe on top of that we can get UI in one or both of those forms and they reveal that UI might be the key to using max power for a fusion more stably so that the fusion(s) last longer.
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Awww... thanks. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 0:38:21 GMT
Then again I'd totally be down for another glorious HAKAI moment and having Beerus just get rid of him. That'd be neat. Would hakai work on someone stronger than Beerus? I assumed the reason they made Broly stronger than the Gods of Destruction was so it wouldn't be a repeat of RoF with Beerus hanging out in the background capable of killing the antagonist if he felt like it. If Broly is potentially threatening the entire universe, Beerus would have to get involved. What if Beerus "gets serious"? Wait no, that's silly.
What if Beerus fuses with Champa to create Beepa, Bebop's long lost cousin?
#serioushakai edit: WAIT!! What if this movie is actually a crossover with OPM and Saitama accidentally saves the day while running late to a grocery sale? Broly is blocking his path and Saitama punches him aside screaming "KALE IS THE REAL SUPER VEGETABLE!!"
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Post by Son Pan on Aug 29, 2018 1:44:44 GMT
If Gogeta is used his fusion will last as long as the plot requires. No more and no less. If they want fusion to win and be successful like in Fusion Reborn it will likely last long. If they want it to fail than Gogeta will crap out in five minutes just like what happened to Gotenks and Vegetto.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 1:47:27 GMT
@invaderjim The perfect ending would be if Broly's power kept rising until he surpasses everyone including the two Zenos and destroys the entire multiverse. Zalama, the Dragon God who may or may not be omnipotent, decides to create a new reality but this time with only one universe: U7. To prevent something like this from happening again, he limits the Saiyans to only SSJ3 and everything that took place in DBS is just a dream Goku had during the uneventful ten years of peace after defeating Buu.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 1:57:28 GMT
@invaderjim The perfect ending would be if Broly's power kept rising until he surpasses everyone including the two Zenos and destroys the entire multiverse. Zalama, the Dragon God who may or may not be omnipotent, decides to create a new reality but this time with only one universe: U7. To prevent something like this from happening again, he limits the Saiyans to only SSJ3 and everything that took place in DBS is just a dream Goku had during the uneventful ten years of peace after defeating Buu.
That's good actually. Brotards get their retarded OP hero and everyone with an IQ in double digits gets their Dragonball back.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Aug 29, 2018 3:12:26 GMT
This is unrelated to the movie but since I brought up Xenoverse 2, I want to mention... for seemingly no reason at all, they changed Majin Vegeta's character name to "Prince of Destruction Vegeta". I... what? I am legitimately baffled at what and why that is. That's from Kai... I'm not even joking this time. (I'm just the messenger. Plz no h8 m8.)
Yeah even I wouldn't have thought of that as a moniker, doesn't really sound that appealing. Would've gone with "EVIL UNLEASHED!" to mimic Gohan's "Potential Unleashed" title.
@invaderjim The perfect ending would be if Broly's power kept rising until he surpasses everyone including the two Zenos and destroys the entire multiverse. Zalama, the Dragon God who may or may not be omnipotent, decides to create a new reality but this time with only one universe: U7. To prevent something like this from happening again, he limits the Saiyans to only SSJ3 and everything that took place in DBS is just a dream Goku had during the uneventful ten years of peace after defeating Buu. That would so be the perfect resolution to DBS. Not only would this provide them a clean slate, but they might end up being able to finally move on from the 10 years of peace, maybe show stories of Goku's time with Uub. I was gonna suggest Beerus and Whis (and maybe the other GoDs if they even exist at this point) watch Goku from the sidelines... like... very distant sidelines. (Further than the sidelines in RoF) Legit, so that they could see their friend/disciple one last time before moving on in their lives and ending the chapter on "The Goku and Vegeta Show."
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Post by Son Pan on Aug 29, 2018 3:51:49 GMT
@invaderjim The perfect ending would be if Broly's power kept rising until he surpasses everyone including the two Zenos and destroys the entire multiverse. Zalama, the Dragon God who may or may not be omnipotent, decides to create a new reality but this time with only one universe: U7. To prevent something like this from happening again, he limits the Saiyans to only SSJ3 and everything that took place in DBS is just a dream Goku had during the uneventful ten years of peace after defeating Buu. I'll take it a step further and create a entirely new multiverse with a countless number of universes. This way Toei/Toriyama can have their cake and eat it to. Think about it the a universe where the original DB manga from Bulma finding Goku all the way to Goku taking Uub to train with him can exist untouched. There can be multiple universes where anime studios and Toriyama can continue to make new stories and reboot everything there. Dragon Ball can be overhauled to better create new stories, characters, rules to powers/abilities to make a better story.
The power fantasy element can still exist, but like with more modern Shonen series make technique and abilities better defined so the power scale isn't so rigid. This way people who are pissed or want DB to stay the same can relax knowing the original series still exist untouched, while a new universe with its own rules, setting, and characters can exist to tell new stories. DB is rich enough lore that if it had a full on reboot with writers who can re-imagine and re-organize or overhaul everything to make a tighter story.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 4:26:37 GMT
Son Pan - Yea but you and I know they'd focus on the shit universes. I think DB needs to stop, permanently. I could settle for a "new generation" reboot ala Boruto, but preferably further into the future. This also incorporates @skar 's ending, primarily so we aren't bombarded with spastic new forms/colours, which should promote team work and the rise of techniques instead of someone just farting out a new level and saving the day.
edit: inb4 this convo is placed into another/new thread
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Post by supergojita3 on Aug 29, 2018 4:45:42 GMT
if ssjb gojita shows up, he defuses quicker than vegetto, who had 1 hour, except ssjb ate up all his time. But maybe he didn't beat zamasu because (sigh) he held back.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Aug 29, 2018 5:16:55 GMT
if ssjb gojita shows up, he defuses quicker than vegetto, who had 1 hour, except ssjb ate up all his time. But maybe he didn't beat zamasu because (sigh) he held back. I wonder what would happen if SSJRed Gogeta appears? Given that SSJred Vegeta is teased (in anime) for the first time ever for this movie.
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Post by Son Pan on Aug 29, 2018 5:40:02 GMT
if ssjb gojita shows up, he defuses quicker than vegetto, who had 1 hour, except ssjb ate up all his time. But maybe he didn't beat zamasu because (sigh) he held back. I wonder what would happen if SSJRed Gogeta appears? Given that SSJred Vegeta is teased (in anime) for the first time ever for this movie. Probably the whole 30 minutes, since SSG is more balanced even in the anime (Goku reusing it a few times in the Tournament of Power in the anime over SSB).
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Post by Namikaze on Aug 29, 2018 5:45:14 GMT
LMAAAAOOOOO I THINK A XENOVERSE 2 DLC LEAK SOFT SPOILED GOGETA!! LMFAAAAOOOOOO I'M DEAD!!
Oh also, I fucking called it lmao. The voice of Kale in the English dub is Stephanie Sheh (she voices Hinata in Naruto), and the voice of Caulifla is Kara Edwards (she voices Videl and Goten, and obviously half of Gotenks, which is why Kefla sounds like a "female Gotenks" as I've been hearing).
Edit: I'M FUCKING DONE! WHY AM I SO BAD WITH VOICES!! SHE SAID SHE DOESN'T VOICE KALE AFTER A MILLION PEOPLE TOLD HER THEY RECOGNIZED HER, HOW THE HELL IS THAT POSSIBLE WHEN KALE SOUNDS IDENTICAL TO TWO CHARACTERS SHE VOICE ACTS FOR?! GAH! I'mma be so pissed if Kara Edwards doesn't voice Caulifla because she sounds almost EXACTLY like Videl. In fact I'm pissed Stephanie doesn't voice Kale despite Kale sounding like she does, I'd never been more confident about anything in my entire life than thinking she did.
In case anyone is wondering, a leak for Xenoverse 2 revealed a new character, one preset with Goku's moves and one with Vegeta's moves, as well as Gogeta's evasive skill. It also revealed another character with a few of Broly's moves. I haven't seen the actual list yet but my brother has so I'll come back and edit this when I find it/get it from him.
Edit: They have new moves which aren't revealed yet, the files just have placeholders for them, but one preset has Kamehameha and Super Mad Dance (the thing Gogeta did to Janemba before using that Soul Breaker or whatever it's called), and one preset has Galick Gun and Super God Fist (one of Goku's attacks on the game). There's one that looks like Broly since he has the move "Gigantic Meteor" (which is one of Broly's attacks) Their voices in case anyone is curious. They honestly sound like I expected so I'm not surprised, though I got major Naruto vibes when Kale was stating how she'll keep getting stronger for Caulifla-kun. Kefla sounds good too, though a bit like gender-bend Gotenks as mentioned already. We'll hear Toppo in the dub in a couple weeks so hopefully they woke up and gave that throwaway Xenoverse Jiren voice over to him as it doesn't fit the latter in the slightest. In other news: Gogeta is back! I'm not against the move at all. Let's get it. Though it's gonna be a bit jarring in the power-scaling (when is it never?) if Gogeta ends up coming away with the win Fusion Reborn style rather than blowing it GT style. Though if they do, it'll make me ponder why they just didn't do this or Vegito in the tournament of power against Jiren instead of just trying to pound at him for five minutes. Plus, Vegeta learning or learned the dance since then? Oh how great. Not like it wouldn't have came in handy to know during a multiverse death tournament or anything. But SSB Gogeta possibly being on par or stronger than MUI? C'mon man. That's like building a monster fighter (in this case: technique) for months than squandering them (it) immediately with no time or build put on towards surpassing that established level. Right...? RIGHT....? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA- oh. Ohhhhhhhhhhhh no.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 17:12:01 GMT
I'll take it a step further and create a entirely new multiverse with a countless number of universes. This way Toei/Toriyama can have their cake and eat it to. Think about it the a universe where the original DB manga from Bulma finding Goku all the way to Goku taking Uub to train with him can exist untouched. There can be multiple universes where anime studios and Toriyama can continue to make new stories and reboot everything there. Dragon Ball can be overhauled to better create new stories, characters, rules to powers/abilities to make a better story. The power fantasy element can still exist, but like with more modern Shonen series make technique and abilities better defined so the power scale isn't so rigid. This way people who are pissed or want DB to stay the same can relax knowing the original series still exist untouched, while a new universe with its own rules, setting, and characters can exist to tell new stories. DB is rich enough lore that if it had a full on reboot with writers who can re-imagine and re-organize or overhaul everything to make a tighter story. I would love to see something like that since it would preserve the original story and all retcons, regression, and new forms would take place in an alternate universe. I don't think Toei would be willing to do something like this though because having other studios work on Dragonball means they might have to share the rights. If other studios do a better job then fans would be less willing to accept Toei's lackluster effort. At this point, I feel a lot of fans watch DBS not because they think it's very good but because it's their only option for official Dragonball content. I could see them taking this into consideration once they've milked the series dry which I think is close.
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Post by Son Pan on Aug 29, 2018 17:36:36 GMT
Son Pan - Yea but you and I know they'd focus on the shit universes. I think DB needs to stop, permanently. I could settle for a "new generation" reboot ala Boruto, but preferably further into the future. This also incorporates @skar 's ending, primarily so we aren't bombarded with spastic new forms/colours, which should promote team work and the rise of techniques instead of someone just farting out a new level and saving the day.
edit: inb4 this convo is placed into another/new thread
True, but they aren’t going to stop milking this cow anyway. If we’re going to fantasize about things we wish would happen might as well go all out instead of the I wish they just make Super a dream route.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 19:34:07 GMT
Kale's voice OFFICIALLY this time is Dawn Bennett, and Caulifla's voice OFFICIALLY this time is Elizabeth Maxwell.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go fucking off myself.
Well either that or never guess voices ever again so long as I live. I'm currently 0 for 5 6, forgot about Jiren :( I have no idea who the fuck this Cabbage patch doll is but I like Liz, she's great. True, but they aren’t going to stop milking this cow anyway. If we’re going to fantasize about things we wish would happen might as well go all out instead of the I wish they just make Super a dream route. Yea, I get ya.
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Post by Axalon on Aug 29, 2018 23:30:45 GMT
Then again I'd totally be down for another glorious HAKAI moment and having Beerus just get rid of him. That'd be neat. Would hakai work on someone stronger than Beerus? I assumed the reason they made Broly stronger than the Gods of Destruction was so it wouldn't be a repeat of RoF with Beerus hanging out in the background capable of killing the antagonist if he felt like it. If Broly is potentially threatening the entire universe, Beerus would have to get involved. That's if Broly is stronger than Beerus to begin with, which reopens the whole can of worms regarding Jiren's strength in relation to the GoDs, Beerus' strength in relation to the other GoDs, and of course how different, if any, the anime is from the manga for all of those categories which for the sake of brevity I will not reopen (too much) here. I only raise the question at all since even the movie's own marketing seems confused (props to @thatguy for being the first to post it): Big text on top in the middle of Broly: "This is Broly." (No shit...) The greenish text to the right of base form Broly: "More powerful than a God of Destruction?!" Why is this a question being raised if Jiren was supposedly already stronger than them and Broly supposedly surpasses him? If Jiren > Beerus, and Broly > Jiren, then obviously Broly > Beerus! That's like if Janemba, being introduced for the first time at some point in the Buu Saga, was given the headline "More powerful than Perfect Cell?!" Or...is Jiren's strength being retconned, much like how Beerus' strength was retconned from the original BoG movie? Then there's this statement from herms: Herms98: On the usual suspects: Goku is already pretty close to being a god, and Vegeta is desperately trying to catch up. This time Freeza shows particular growth. He wants to be on top, but is pondering how he can with Beerus and co. around. Is his ambition to defeat the Omni-King?!...wait what? Pretty close to being a god? WTF does that even mean? What is this form then? ![](https://i.imgur.com/3g4IMW6.png) Is that not Goku when he is LITERALLY A SUPER SAIYAN GOD? Stuff like this is why I don't pay much attention to this type of marketing. On an unrelated note, I, for one, am looking forward to the explanation they're going to give for Broly apparently just hanging out in U7 this entire time. Would've come in handy in a certain Tournament that was all about Power.
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