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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 10, 2016 8:13:52 GMT
thejoke How in the literal fuck did you manage to get back here? Did you really decide to make a new account, join when you had a second chance, and decide "I'm gonna refer to myself as that same imbecile from before." Great job man. The only scene I can think of that fits here is this. Seriously. You had. A second chance. And you fucked it up. Just why? Like, not even referring to the previous argument, nobody in their right mind boasts that they were banned from a place, only to return to said place and brag that "I was them." Now I know why no one is taking you seriously... and why you named yourself as such. "thepatheticjoke" suits you better. Go watch the fucking anime again and observe the reactions of the characters that are of subject. Android 13 did a good job showing that. (A13 if ya reading this, This line is meant as a compliment.) Super Buu, Mystic Gohan, Kid Buu, and Goku. Come back here when you realize that when you need some else's help, that is a clear indicator that You cannot beat them on YOUR OWN. Oh, and you're curious as to why I'm part of this? I was conversing with Android 13 as I wanted to get a shot. He elaborated well to me and I accepted that my understanding was incorrect. Now my notification is spammed with your nonsense posts that I couldn't even press refresh or go to a different page without being mislead that something important was being discussed. Before you say just log in a few hours later, mind you I will do what I want but I don't need shitposts. Not in my email, not in spam phone calls, and certainly, not in a forum that I sadly assumed everyone was civil. Conqueror Geng I legit have to ask, how was he able to return, did he sign up with a different email address? (user name is obviously different) He might appear again as a different user to make similar issues occur. Just letting you know, imposters return, albeit with different names (though I'm sure you as a mod know that) We need a Mr. Popo mod. One that will lay strict punishment to those who Fuck up the pecking order. (And no that time I was not joking. I may come off as a jokester wanting to crack one in the DBM comment section, but this time I am pissed. Like one you wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of said anger. And you can ask others how often did they see the user T.R.K. get that pissed.)
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 10, 2016 15:04:35 GMT
^He likely used a proxy and another e-mail. Don't worry, Ashanark already dealt with him yesterday.
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Post by Android 13 on Oct 10, 2016 15:21:06 GMT
HA you're a funny old mod! I Laughed at the fact you banned me because you could not convince me that
Mystic>Ssj3Goku
I know i will may get banned again 99.9% i will but that doesn't matter at this point at least i get to say what i need to say.
Disrespectful?!?! The only thing that is disrespectful is how you banned me over an argument you could not win and then have your little internet buddies reply to my post after I've been banned.
I provided evidence which was the link. If you do not agree with what Toriyama says then fine you don't have to believe what you want but what i have said was pure fact. Ssj3 Goku is the Pure Strongest!!!
The spirit bomb had Mystic Gohans energy. Goku had energy at first and then ran out he even had to go ssj to finish the job which shows the spirit bomb not being strong enough to take him down.
That Guy since when have i said Goku and Vegeta tag team Super Buu? I put up two different scenarios and that's all.
The Real Karkarotto
I am still confused on how you even got into this argument.
I don't know why you guys just don't reply to me anymore you have already lost. Nothing trumps (Get it Trumps lol) Toriyama's words and that's something you guys just don't seem to understand.
Vegito>Buuhan>Buutenks>Ssj3 Goku>Kid Buu>Mystic Gohan>Buuiccolo>Super Buu>Ssj3 Gotenks>Evil Buu>Fat Buu
Now i will go back to being a guest and watching you people talk about a person who can't reply because he is banned off people who got angry because they couldn't get me to agree with Mystic>ssj3 Goku.
Edit, by Ashanark: My my my...what large writing. Let's calm this down a bit...all writing downsized to 10 point font, and spoilers added. Proceed, everyone.
Edit 2: Back, by popular demand...you know, for transparency and stuff. So we continue, then?I though you were done trolling, but you came back from the dead like some ghost from the past to haunt us and our sleep once again.Yeah, I am sure that you got banned due to not admitting that Gohan>The almighty, unbelievably beautiful, strong, sexy, #1 Goku, and not because you broke some basic rules and deliberately caused havoc in a thread, which was very peaceful before you came in.Say now, if Toriyama said this, then the following is also true = "SSJG Goku is a 6, Beerus is a 10 and Whis is a 15", yet when Goku went SSJB he was probably 7-8, maybe even still 6, but when he went SSJB Kaioken x10 , that would put him at 60,70 or 80, which would vaporise Beerus, yet that technique still made Beerus only worried and it's power still seemed below him.And, oh wait, why the hell I am even replying to a ghost?As some people say, "the dead are dead, they can't hurt us anymore".Still, your trolling is on a basic level, you have to learn a lot more before you reach a level where it would be interesting to counter-troll you. The Retro Kakarotto Thanks buddy, I was ready to drop some videos of famous youtubers such as Geekdom101, LaughingStockMedia, Qaaman's Land and others, in which they discuss Gotenks's power level compared to that of Goku, and Gohan vs SSJ3 Goku.And their videos make indeed a lot of sense, especially LaughingStockMedia's Broly video, and although I agree that Broly's power doesn't rise infinitely like Salagir did in DBM, he is still stronger in my opinion than most people would place him.I'm glad I managed to convince someone of something, now I feel like a messiah, I should do that less often though, I may start thinking I am a god or a leader of some sort . P.S about that sexy Goku:
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Post by Ashanark on Oct 10, 2016 16:28:41 GMT
To try and get the thread a little back on-topic... Believe it or not, Goku actually considered having Gohan and Gotenks come fight against Kid Buu, but this was vetoed by Vegeta: Also, there wouldn't have been any way to get them there, since Goku was busy and Kibito Kai was too weak to use Instant Movement: Kid Buu is only referred to as "the most dangerous" Buu in the manga, not the strongest: mainly because he just loves destroying things. When he first appeared, Goku and Vegeta tried to get him to fight them, but Kid Buu just blew up the planet instead. Regardless of whether or not you think Mystic Gohan was stronger than SS3 Goku (and he was), it would've been better to have him and Gotenks fight Buu instead of poor Vegeta.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 10, 2016 16:59:35 GMT
^There is one issue with "he lost power" when he absorbed Fat Kai. IMO, this doesn't make sense to me. If anything, he only became more incompetent at fighting due to his wild side laying dormant. Dai Kaio effect was mostly mental/temperamental than based on strength.
Although I have no solid proof, I'd say Fat Buu is as strong as Super Buu, but never fought seriously (maybe due to lack of knowledge). Otherwise, it would have made no sense he divided into 2 persons, got fused again, and became incredibly stronger. IMO, all what happened was a restructuration of his own available power, so he could actually unleash it, and therefore turn into Super Buu.
If not, it would basically mean his power spiked for no reason at all. So say, if we consider Super Buu ACTUALLY stronger... It would mean:
Original Fat Buu = 6. Then he divides and... New Fat Buu = 2, Evil Grey Buu = 4... then Super Buu would have 10? A bit weird to say the least. IMO, my theory makes more sense.
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Post by Android 13 on Oct 10, 2016 17:21:46 GMT
^There is one issue with "he lost power" when he absorbed Fat Kai. IMO, this doesn't make sense to me. If anything, he only became more incompetent at fighting due to his wild side laying dormant. Dai Kaio effect was mostly mental/temperamental than based on strength. Although I have no solid proof, I'd say Fat Buu is as strong as Super Buu, but never fought seriously (maybe due to lack of knowledge). Otherwise, it would have made no sense he divided into 2 persons, got fused again, and became incredibly stronger. IMO, all what happened was a restructuration of his own available power, so he could actually unleash it, and therefore turn into Super Buu. If not, it would basically mean his power spiked for no reason at all. So say, if we consider Super Buu ACTUALLY stronger... It would mean: Original Fat Buu = 6. Then he divides and... New Fat Buu = 2, Evil Grey Buu = 4... then Super Buu would have 10? A bit weird to say the least. IMO, my theory makes more sense. It's true, your theory does make sense, but Dragon Ball is one of those mangas/animes that are well known to have a lot of plot holes, and this is a such.In order to get the plot moving in Toriyama's desired location, sometimes some things are neglected and the results are at the very least weird.That's just the way it goes, and we need to make headcanon in-universe decisions or theories in order to explain the things that Toriyama forgot/couldn't explain.By the way, gauging Good Buu and Evil Buu's powers is difficult, not only Good Buu was exhausted from the fission, but on top of that Evil Buu seemed a lot more intelligent and used Buu's own Chocolate Beam against himself, and their fight didn't get dragged out long enough to determine how big of a power edge Evil Buu had over Good Buu.Fat Buu in his case is kinda like Gohan was:Before Buu's split, his power laid dormant, much like Gohan's, and after Buu split and refused back, his new evil-controlled self had full control of Buu's dormant power, just like Gohan after the ritual unlocked his power, which is probably why Piccolo and Dende noticed the power-spike that Buu apparently had(it might have been anime-only remark, I am currently too lazy to check if it was in the manga ).
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Post by Ashanark on Oct 10, 2016 17:28:56 GMT
^There is one issue with "he lost power" when he absorbed Fat Kai. IMO, this doesn't make sense to me. If anything, he only became more incompetent at fighting due to his wild side laying dormant. Dai Kaio effect was mostly mental/temperamental than based on strength. Although I have no solid proof, I'd say Fat Buu is as strong as Super Buu, but never fought seriously (maybe due to lack of knowledge). Otherwise, it would have made no sense he divided into 2 persons, got fused again, and became incredibly stronger. IMO, all what happened was a restructuration of his own available power, so he could actually unleash it, and therefore turn into Super Buu. If not, it would basically mean his power spiked for no reason at all. So say, if we consider Super Buu ACTUALLY stronger... It would mean: Original Fat Buu = 6. Then he divides and... New Fat Buu = 2, Evil Grey Buu = 4... then Super Buu would have 10? A bit weird to say the least. IMO, my theory makes more sense. I think when the Kais say Buu "lost power," it means his fighting strength was weaker, not his potential. When Fat Buu first appeared, Dabura, Gohan, and Vegeta all thought they could take him, but then Buu's power would suddenly spike and he'd trash them. I think of comparing Fat Buu, Kid Buu and Super Buu as a bit like Cell Games SS1 Gohan, SS1 Goku and SS2 Gohan. Gohan was stronger as a Super Saiyan, but Goku put up a better fight because there was no mental block. Fat Buu was stronger than Kid Buu, but he had a lower fighting power-level because the Dai Kaioshin calmed him down. Super Buu is like SS2 Teen Gohan--all that power unlocked, and the desire to use it. I'm of the opinion that Buu's stamina was due to having so much ki to draw off of, but others think his endurance was a magical trait.
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Post by Android 13 on Oct 10, 2016 17:36:11 GMT
^There is one issue with "he lost power" when he absorbed Fat Kai. IMO, this doesn't make sense to me. If anything, he only became more incompetent at fighting due to his wild side laying dormant. Dai Kaio effect was mostly mental/temperamental than based on strength. Although I have no solid proof, I'd say Fat Buu is as strong as Super Buu, but never fought seriously (maybe due to lack of knowledge). Otherwise, it would have made no sense he divided into 2 persons, got fused again, and became incredibly stronger. IMO, all what happened was a restructuration of his own available power, so he could actually unleash it, and therefore turn into Super Buu. If not, it would basically mean his power spiked for no reason at all. So say, if we consider Super Buu ACTUALLY stronger... It would mean: Original Fat Buu = 6. Then he divides and... New Fat Buu = 2, Evil Grey Buu = 4... then Super Buu would have 10? A bit weird to say the least. IMO, my theory makes more sense. I think when the Kais say Buu "lost power," it means his fighting strength was weaker, not his potential. When Fat Buu first appeared, Dabura, Gohan, and Vegeta all thought they could take him, but then Buu's power would suddenly spike and he'd trash them. I think of comparing Fat Buu, Kid Buu and Super Buu as a bit like Cell Games SS1 Gohan, SS1 Goku and SS2 Gohan. Gohan was stronger as a Super Saiyan, but Goku put up a better fight because there was no mental block. Fat Buu was stronger than Kid Buu, but he had a lower fighting power-level because the Dai Kaioshin calmed him down. Super Buu is like SS2 Teen Gohan--all that power unlocked, and the desire to use it. I'm of the opinion that Buu's stamina was due to having so much ki to draw off of, but others think his endurance was a magical trait. Exactly my though.And Buu's stamina is one of the weirdest things in Dragon Ball Z, it doesn't make a lot of sense.He can take hits and be blown up to bits, then regenerate back (he even regenerated from smoke only) and keep doing that until a certain limit is reached.After that, all he needs to do is take a 1-2-5 minute sleep and he can regenerate to no end once again.This is the reason he was such a dangerous opponent, you can't just Instant Kamehameha him like Cell and expect him to die.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 10, 2016 19:20:31 GMT
How can absorbing someone make you weaker unless said person being absorbed had some sort of self implemented restraints.
So if that's the case, the line up is Majin Buu < Kid Buu < Super Buu? Kid being most destructive nature, Majin just gentle and Super Buu is... Super Buu is Super.
If not then shouldn't it be Kid < Majin < Super?
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Post by Ashanark on Oct 10, 2016 19:28:39 GMT
How can absorbing someone make you weaker unless said person being absorbed had some sort of self implemented restraints. So if that's the case, the line up is Majin Buu < Kid Buu < Super Buu? Kid being most destructive nature, Majin just gentle and Super Buu is... Super Buu is Super. If not then shouldn't it be Kid < Majin < Super? Going by potential, I'd say it's Kid < Fat/Super. Going by fighting strength, it goes Fat < Kid < Super. In the manga, Goku was clearly winning against Fat Buu, but Buu was putting up a fight (and thought it was all a game). Against Kid Buu, the fight was more even and Goku got tired out. Goku didn't even want to fight Super Buu. @that Guy So, ignoring the anime only filler of King Kai's boys thrashing the Ginyu force...After Krillin got boosted by Guru, he could thrash Guldo, who was around 13,000 (I think?). I don't know if boosted Krillin was as strong as boosted Gohan, who was equal to attack-on-Earth Vegeta (18,000), but I'd say that Krillin was now close enough in power to old Vegeta that his special techniques would've won the day. I'd say Tien, post-King Kai, would've beat attack-on-Earth Vegeta, too. Maybe not in a straight fight, but definitely through use of Tri-Beam. Yamcha and Chaiotzu probably couldn't.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 10, 2016 19:34:07 GMT
How can absorbing someone make you weaker unless said person being absorbed had some sort of self implemented restraints. So if that's the case, the line up is Majin Buu < Kid Buu < Super Buu? Kid being most destructive nature, Majin just gentle and Super Buu is... Super Buu is Super. If not then shouldn't it be Kid < Majin < Super? Going by potential, I'd say it's Kid < Fat/Super. Going by fighting strength, it goes Fat < Kid < Super. In the manga, Goku was clearly winning against Fat Buu, but Buu was putting up a fight (and thought it was all a game). Against Kid Buu, the fight was more even and Goku got tired out. Goku didn't even want to fight Super Buu. @that Guy So, ignoring the anime only filler of King Kai's boys thrashing the Ginyu force...After Krillin got boosted by Guru, he could thrash Guldo, who was around 13,000 (I think?). I don't know if boosted Krillin was as strong as boosted Gohan, who was equal to attack-on-Earth Vegeta (18,000), but I'd say that Krillin was now close enough in power to old Vegeta that his special techniques would've won the day. I'd say Tien, post-King Kai, would've beat attack-on-Earth Vegeta, too. Maybe not in a straight fight, but definitely through use of Tri-Beam. Yamcha and Chaiotzu probably couldn't. Ohh so the key here is potential vs fighting strength. My default answer was based on potential. That makes the answer even more clear. Gotcha!
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Post by Ashanark on Oct 10, 2016 19:50:50 GMT
Yeah lol, I really don't buy that Yamcha, Tien, and Chiaotzu could beat any member of the Ginyu Force after training for, what, 6 days on King Kai's planet? At the end of the 6 months (because Namekian Dragon) I guess I could buy the fight ending similar to Goku's fight with Vegeta if Tien fought him post-King Kai's training, both characters extremely exhausted and on the verge of collapse. He's always been the one with the most potential of the Human fighters. He could probably hold a Kaioken x4 unlike Goku, which could give him an edge. Yamcha? He could probably defeat Nappa by the end of it by no way could he beat Vegeta. Chiaotzu probably wouldn't win against Nappa, maybe get a few hits in but I doubt he could have gotten much stronger than Piccolo when he fought Nappa. Yeah, sounds about right. I mean, I'd like to think that all three of them could take out the Ginyu force, but...could they? One problem is that the next time we see any of them fight again is Tien against Cell, and his strength there is probably more because of the years of training for the Androids. There's just no good indicator of where they're at. EDIT: this is why I really hope we get a nice, good look at U9 sometime. How strong does Salagir think the humans could've gotten, at their best? He's said on this forum before that "I work in a universe where you don't find Buu and Androids everywhere. Freeza's family is the 'top and impossible to go to' level. Ginyu's squad is 'the best of the universe that great warriors can get' level." So are the U9 humans no stronger than the Ginyus?
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 10, 2016 20:15:33 GMT
Yeah, sounds about right. I mean, I'd like to think that all three of them could take out the Ginyu force, but...could they? One problem is that the next time we see any of them fight again is Tien against Cell, and his strength there is probably more because of the years of training for the Androids. There's just no good indicator of where they're at. Weeeeeeeeeeeellllllllll....
Anyway yeah, it's hard to really figure out a place to put them. Tien and Yamcha getting as strong as Recoome in 6 days is unreasonable. It took Goku 6 months to increase his power level by 5000 - 7,000, they couldn't have increased theirs' by 38,000+ in 6 days. (6 days because it's implied King Kai contacted Goku immediately when Piccolo and the others show up to his planet) and they couldn't have increased their power levels that much from simply running along snake way.
And then yeah, there's Tien who was able to push Semi-Perfect Cell back with his Tri-Beam. Where does that place him over the others?Just a general question but I'm sure this would help in the long run. If a person's pl is 500 and he trains on King Kai's planet for the first time for one year, would that be the same gain (or multiplier) as though as if he started at 5000 instead and then started training on K.K's planet for the first time for a year? Or would he not gain (proportionally) as much?
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Post by Azoth on Oct 10, 2016 22:26:44 GMT
Yeah lol, I really don't buy that Yamcha, Tien, and Chiaotzu could beat any member of the Ginyu Force after training for, what, 6 days on King Kai's planet? At the end of the 6 months (because Namekian Dragon) I guess I could buy the fight ending similar to Goku's fight with Vegeta if Tien fought him post-King Kai's training, both characters extremely exhausted and on the verge of collapse. He's always been the one with the most potential of the Human fighters. He could probably hold a Kaioken x4 unlike Goku, which could give him an edge. Yamcha? He could probably defeat Nappa by the end of it by no way could he beat Vegeta. Chiaotzu probably wouldn't win against Nappa, maybe get a few hits in but I doubt he could have gotten much stronger than Piccolo when he fought Nappa. It's filler content, IIRC, so it doesn't matter a whole lot. Because yes, it's pretty ridiculous that these humans that couldn't take Nappa, suddenly can take on the Ginyu Force. After years of training for the androids, sure, but not from six days on King Kai's planet. Kakarotto: Just a general question but I'm sure this would help in the long run. If a person's pl is 500 and he trains on King Kai's planet for the first time for one year, would that be the same gain (or multiplier) as though as if he started at 5000 instead and then started training on K.K's planet for the first time for a year? Or would he not gain (proportionally) as much? I think it would depend on the person. Goku likely got so much out of it because of his saiyan physiology. He might have been getting a number of small zenkai boosts from any damage sustained from the high gravity that helped him along. Plus, the kaioken is said to be tough on the body, so that may have helped too.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 11, 2016 0:42:19 GMT
Yeah lol, I really don't buy that Yamcha, Tien, and Chiaotzu could beat any member of the Ginyu Force after training for, what, 6 days on King Kai's planet? At the end of the 6 months (because Namekian Dragon) I guess I could buy the fight ending similar to Goku's fight with Vegeta if Tien fought him post-King Kai's training, both characters extremely exhausted and on the verge of collapse. He's always been the one with the most potential of the Human fighters. He could probably hold a Kaioken x4 unlike Goku, which could give him an edge. Yamcha? He could probably defeat Nappa by the end of it by no way could he beat Vegeta. Chiaotzu probably wouldn't win against Nappa, maybe get a few hits in but I doubt he could have gotten much stronger than Piccolo when he fought Nappa. It's filler content, IIRC, so it doesn't matter a whole lot. Because yes, it's pretty ridiculous that these humans that couldn't take Nappa, suddenly can take on the Ginyu Force. After years of training for the androids, sure, but not from six days on King Kai's planet. Kakarotto: Just a general question but I'm sure this would help in the long run. If a person's pl is 500 and he trains on King Kai's planet for the first time for one year, would that be the same gain (or multiplier) as though as if he started at 5000 instead and then started training on K.K's planet for the first time for a year? Or would he not gain (proportionally) as much? I think it would depend on the person. Goku likely got so much out of it because of his saiyan physiology. He might have been getting a number of small zenkai boosts from any damage sustained from the high gravity that helped him along. Plus, the kaioken is said to be tough on the body, so that may have helped too. Okay uh, how about non Saiyans? How about species that don't get boosts like that, like Piccolo or Krillin or Tien? (What about Yamcha? What About Yamcha?) So yeah ignore Goku, Gohan and such. Would gains be considered multipliers for training on new gravities for the first time or is it some addition by a set amount or so?
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Post by Azoth on Oct 11, 2016 1:48:45 GMT
Okay uh, how about non Saiyans? How about species that don't get boosts like that, like Piccolo or Krillin or Tien? (What about Yamcha? What About Yamcha?) So yeah ignore Goku, Gohan and such. Would gains be considered multipliers for training on new gravities for the first time or is it some addition by a set amount or so? I'd say it's a multiplier on what you're doing, at least initially. You'd be working harder to do whatever it is you're doing in accordance with the gravity multiplier. However, the stronger you get, the less you'd get from it, as your body would have enough strength in it to adapt to higher gravities quickly. 500PL would see more from a 10G workout than a 5000PL would.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 11, 2016 2:12:22 GMT
Okay uh, how about non Saiyans? How about species that don't get boosts like that, like Piccolo or Krillin or Tien? (What about Yamcha? What About Yamcha?) So yeah ignore Goku, Gohan and such. Would gains be considered multipliers for training on new gravities for the first time or is it some addition by a set amount or so? I'd say it's a multiplier on what you're doing, at least initially. You'd be working harder to do whatever it is you're doing in accordance with the gravity multiplier. However, the stronger you get, the less you'd get from it, as your body would have enough strength in it to adapt to higher gravities quickly. 500PL would see more from a 10G workout than a 5000PL would. Aw crap now it just feels like a Track and Field metaphor. Gonna resist. So yeah that would be the important question. Would a lower pl Goku have the same multiplier as the 4 that had a higher pl (than Goku when he first died) when they went to K.K's place? Which has been answered so yeah. That works. Now to agree on what that multiplier is, that's a toughie. Diminishing returns and only initial training, I can understand that.
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Post by Archon on Oct 11, 2016 9:11:24 GMT
Something I noticed about the 3 Buu's is just their mentality when it comes to just existing in general. Kid Buu cares only about destruction. If he had no one to fight or distract him he'd do nothing but destroy. Majin Buu is on the opposite side he mainly wants to just mess around and do whatever he wants at the time (eat sleep etc) but will get angry and destroy thing if he doesn't get his way (like a child) Super Buu is more in the center where he is more interested in destruction but isn't against the occasional distraction to get food or fight someone strong. Kid Buu is really powerful because he's like a wild animal. He doesn't restrain his power and he doesn't play games with his enemy like Super Buu occasionally does and Majin Buu always does. Super Buu also has more intellect than the other 2 as well (Esp after he absorbs Piccolo) so that adds to his deadly skill.
In the end Kid Buu is just a wild animal with no mercy and alot of power but not as strong as Super Buu since Buu gained intellect and new powers beyond that of Kid Buu. And Majin Buu I think is actually weaker than Kid Buu. He got thrashed when he tried to fight Kid Buu. He doesn't have the intellect to deal with the kind of ferocious fighting Kid Buu could dish out and honestly I think Majin Buu lost his will to fight after time (Hercule probably sped it up considerably) so he didn't have motivation to keep fighting.
Kinda rambly but I think I got my point accross.
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Post by Jaquan on Oct 11, 2016 18:34:31 GMT
You know I would actually dig the fact that Humans went pretty strong pretty fast on King Kai's planet. I mean we're talking about guys who outdid Goku during their training on Lookout. What I mean is... They went from somewhere around 200 on general to levels where most of them could fight and maybe even trash Raditz (lvl varying between 1200 and 1500) after training half a year on lookout and half on their own. Geeez Goku trained there for three years and at best got like 50% stronger.
As of Yamcha and 20... Well we all know good old doctor kinda overcompensated... Considering he had no idea about Super Sayian he did damn good work making 2 Cyborgs stronger than that, one full Android even stronger than them and Bio Android capable of going even further beyond. All that with materials he found on earth... Yikes.
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Post by Ashanark on Oct 11, 2016 18:59:58 GMT
Yeah, sounds about right. I mean, I'd like to think that all three of them could take out the Ginyu force, but...could they? One problem is that the next time we see any of them fight again is Tien against Cell, and his strength there is probably more because of the years of training for the Androids. There's just no good indicator of where they're at. Weeeeeeeeeeeellllllllll....
Like I said: we don't see anyone fight until Tien attacks Cell. JaquanYeah, Goku went from maybe 200 to 400 after three years on Kami's Lookout (I know he was 600 at start-of-Z), while all the humans went from less than that to the 2,000-level in one year. Maybe they got more out of King Kai's training, too. Perhaps Goku didn't benefit as much from either Kami or King Kai because he was training alone?
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