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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 4:38:10 GMT
That bolded part I just typed? That's literally all we're looking for as fans. Something fresh. Everyone liked Buu's six-armed beatdown of Moro. I even liked it, said it was a good thing about the latest chapter. It was new, it was funny. It was still absolutely punching Moro really, really hard, but it was something we haven't seen since, like, Tien in OG DB. Buu is an extremely versatile character with powers and abilities that let the unusual happen. But this is ultimately about Goku after all. I do not believe that Goku is just going to sit this arc out while Buu vs Moro is the only centerpiece. Goku isn't going to have detachable arms that let him not pay attention while the arms do the work for him. When Goku is involved, odds are we're going right back to 99% of DB fights where he tries punching or blasting just a little bit harder. Maybe he even punches hard enough that he's able to let GSB do the magic thing again, distracting Moro with how hard his punches are. That's true for Goku, Vegeta, and most of the characters since all their techniques come down to concentrating their energy into stronger blasts/punches. The Spirit Bomb involved Goku gathering energy from his surroundings to form a powerful blast when his own power wasn't enough. This will probably be the only saga that Buu participates in. Future Trunks got the chance to deliver the final blow to Zamasu with his Spirit Sword (technically the second to last before Zeno was called). Buu contributing more would be less of an asspull in my opinion since he's the only one with magic that could counter Moro. Goku and Vegeta already tried to overpower Moro but failed when he used the planet's energy against them then absorbed their energy. If Buu is able to prevent Moro from using both these techniques, I think he goes down fairly easily which is what I'm hoping doesn't happen. |
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Post by Axalon on May 27, 2019 5:15:53 GMT
That bolded part I just typed? That's literally all we're looking for as fans. Something fresh. Everyone liked Buu's six-armed beatdown of Moro. I even liked it, said it was a good thing about the latest chapter. It was new, it was funny. It was still absolutely punching Moro really, really hard, but it was something we haven't seen since, like, Tien in OG DB. Buu is an extremely versatile character with powers and abilities that let the unusual happen. But this is ultimately about Goku after all. I do not believe that Goku is just going to sit this arc out while Buu vs Moro is the only centerpiece. Goku isn't going to have detachable arms that let him not pay attention while the arms do the work for him. When Goku is involved, odds are we're going right back to 99% of DB fights where he tries punching or blasting just a little bit harder. Maybe he even punches hard enough that he's able to let GSB do the magic thing again, distracting Moro with how hard his punches are. That's true for Goku, Vegeta, and most of the characters since all their techniques come down to concentrating their energy into stronger blasts/punches. The Spirit Bomb involved Goku gathering energy from his surroundings to form a powerful blast when his own power wasn't enough. This will probably be the only saga that Buu participates in. Future Trunks got the chance to deliver the final blow to Zamasu with his Spirit Sword (technically the second to last before Zeno was called). Buu contributing more would be less of an asspull in my opinion since he's the only one with magic that could counter Moro. Goku and Vegeta already tried to overpower Moro but failed when he used the planet's energy against them then absorbed their energy. If Buu is able to prevent Moro from using both these techniques, I think he goes down fairly easily which is what I'm hoping doesn't happen. Buu preventing Moro from affecting Goku/Vegeta has to happen though. You can't have Moro just sucking up all of Goku's energy again and again and have him be defenseless and a waste of space. I mean you can, but this is DBS so it won't happen. Buu's insane powerup presumably has a limit, and that threshold would eventually be passed if he can just use Goku and Vegeta as batteries. Hence why I believe this will come down to Goku/Vegeta getting stronger, punching Moro really, really hard while protected from losing their energy, with Buu perhaps doing something magic to put him down while the hard punching is happening. ... ...INB4 UI lets you dodge the energy drain because UI. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 6:09:01 GMT
Buu preventing Moro from affecting Goku/Vegeta has to happen though. You can't have Moro just sucking up all of Goku's energy again and again and have him be defenseless and a waste of space. I mean you can, but this is DBS so it won't happen. Buu's insane powerup presumably has a limit, and that threshold would eventually be passed if he can just use Goku and Vegeta as batteries. Hence why I believe this will come down to Goku/Vegeta getting stronger, punching Moro really, really hard while protected from losing their energy, with Buu perhaps doing something magic to put him down while the hard punching is happening. ... ...INB4 UI lets you dodge the energy drain because UI. I don't think Goku and Vegeta are going to have their power absorbed again. Grand Kaioshin switched places with Buu at the end of the chapter so it could mean whatever plan he has requires him to be in control. It might be the other way around and it's Goku and Vegeta being the support for Grand Kaioshin who uses his magic. I don't know I confused how powerful Moro is supposed to be now. If he did add the power he absorbed from them to his own, it is possible it just ends with them teaming up to fight him after GK disables his absorption. If Moro didn't acquire all their energy, he wouldn't last long against them in a battle which means he's defeated some other way. |
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Post by Axalon on May 27, 2019 17:11:41 GMT
Buu preventing Moro from affecting Goku/Vegeta has to happen though. You can't have Moro just sucking up all of Goku's energy again and again and have him be defenseless and a waste of space. I mean you can, but this is DBS so it won't happen. Buu's insane powerup presumably has a limit, and that threshold would eventually be passed if he can just use Goku and Vegeta as batteries. Hence why I believe this will come down to Goku/Vegeta getting stronger, punching Moro really, really hard while protected from losing their energy, with Buu perhaps doing something magic to put him down while the hard punching is happening. ... ...INB4 UI lets you dodge the energy drain because UI. I don't think Goku and Vegeta are going to have their power absorbed again. Grand Kaioshin switched places with Buu at the end of the chapter so it could mean whatever plan he has requires him to be in control. It might be the other way around and it's Goku and Vegeta being the support for Grand Kaioshin who uses his magic. I don't know I confused how powerful Moro is supposed to be now. If he did add the power he absorbed from them to his own, it is possible it just ends with them teaming up to fight him after GK disables his absorption. If Moro didn't acquire all their energy, he wouldn't last long against them in a battle which means he's defeated some other way. Well GSB has established that Moro himself is fairly weak at the moment, having regained his magic but not his strength after his beatdown. With Goku and Vegeta healed, and likely shielded for a rematch, it's possible he's been weakened enough that the two of them (or Gogeta or something I dunno) could fend him off long enough for GSB to do something more permanent about the situation. Or maybe he just eats Namek and gets away and they chase him or something. Then again GSB should really have no issues beating him down on his own again. He's already taken him on once and absolutely annihilated him post-absorbing two SSBs, he's even weaker now, and he has the advantage of Buu's body to boot with all that lovely stamina and regeneration! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 16:37:18 GMT
Chapter 47 is out. -We learn Moori passed on the Dragonballs to Esca so I guess that explains why they didn't deactivate when Moori died. -We also learn that most of Grand Kaioshin's godly power went to the evil half of Buu after they split so that confirms Uub has God ki. That explains why Goku might still be excited to fight him after having new rivals in his own universe like Beerus and Broly. -Vegeta mentions that brute force will be the way to defeat Moro since GK can't use his sealing spell. It looks like not much magic will be used in the final battle. Are they going to finish him off before he has a chance to absorb their energy again?
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Post by Azoth on Jun 21, 2019 16:35:09 GMT
If Moro is supposed to be some kind of big wizard, I'd like to see him do more magic. You can do some crazy magic if you put your mind to it.
I was kind of hoping Moro would be more of a villain that brute force wouldn't beat, but then, this isn't JJBA.
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Post by Axalon on Jun 21, 2019 19:31:27 GMT
- So Moori passed the DBs on just recently. Like, very recently. As an emergency measure. I can accept this. - So apparently eating the partial energy of a planet is not only enough to refresh Moro's strength after his complete and utter beatdown, it also allows him TO ECLIPSE GSB? Who was beating him down like child's play five minutes ago? Wow that was fast.  - If they're implying that Kid Buu had god ki, he sure had a poor way of showing it. In fact, this would mean that every form of Buu save for Mr. Buu has had god ki. This means Buu is officially the weakest god ki main character ever. I can at least see the attempt at justifying Goku's interest in Uub, but it still doesn't excuse Goku vs Uub being declared THE match of the tournament when Vegeta is also competing, and thanks to DBS would also be much more on par with Goku than Uub would be. It was a nice try Toyotaro. Not quite enough yet though. Keep working at it. - So THEN it turns out that Goku and Vegeta have actually been stronger than him ALL ALONG, if you don't count Moro's energy drain.  - I'm assuming they mean Mastered SSB in the above scan, as if just regular SSB is enough to beat down Moro that's hilarious. This also means that, by the same metric Vegeta's using here, Jiren >>>> Moro.  So in a way this arc is kind of like the Garlic Jr. arc of DBZ, where they fight someone weaker than the previous antagonist they fought, except the guy has gimmicks that make up for his lack of strength. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 3:39:00 GMT
If they're implying that Kid Buu had god ki, he sure had a poor way of showing it. In fact, this would mean that every form of Buu save for Mr. Buu has had god ki. This means Buu is officially the weakest god ki main character ever. I can at least see the attempt at justifying Goku's interest in Uub, but it still doesn't excuse Goku vs Uub being declared THE match of the tournament when Vegeta is also competing, and thanks to DBS would also be much more on par with Goku than Uub would be. It was a nice try Toyotaro. Not quite enough yet though. Keep working at it. I thought the same since Goku and Vegeta were about equal in SSJB. If Goku masters UI and Vegeta stays one form behind, that might revert things back to the status quo. Originally, Goku was excited to fight Uub for his rematch with Buu and also because Vegeta most likely never caught up to SSJ3. They're less than four years away from EoZ and this is the third saga to take place in December Age 780 so we might find out after this saga. Since RoF, U6, and Goku Black took place within the same month the previous year, three sagas might be the most Toriyama is willing to cram in one month before another minor timeskip. |
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Post by Axalon on Jun 22, 2019 4:03:11 GMT
If they're implying that Kid Buu had god ki, he sure had a poor way of showing it. In fact, this would mean that every form of Buu save for Mr. Buu has had god ki. This means Buu is officially the weakest god ki main character ever. I can at least see the attempt at justifying Goku's interest in Uub, but it still doesn't excuse Goku vs Uub being declared THE match of the tournament when Vegeta is also competing, and thanks to DBS would also be much more on par with Goku than Uub would be. It was a nice try Toyotaro. Not quite enough yet though. Keep working at it. I thought the same since Goku and Vegeta were about equal in SSJB. If Goku masters UI and Vegeta stays one form behind, that might revert things back to the status quo. Originally, Goku was excited to fight Uub for his rematch with Buu and also because Vegeta most likely never caught up to SSJ3. They're less than four years away from EoZ and this is the third saga to take place in December Age 780 so we might find out after this saga. Since RoF, U6, and Goku Black took place within the same month the previous year, three sagas might be the most Toriyama is willing to cram in one month before another minor timeskip. Problem is there's still the massive power gap between Uub vs Goku and Vegeta. Originally, if we were to assume Uub was a one-for-one with Kid Buu in terms of power, it would make sense that he'd be the top opponent if we were to also assume that Vegeta was stuck at SS2. But now if we make that same assumption, we have what is essentially Kid Buu vs SSB/UI Goku and SSBE Vegeta. Not to mention Dende being confused by Uub in EoZ and having to be explained by Piccolo the nature of Uub, vaguely, but revealing Uub to Goku in DBS personally. Plus if Uub now has god ki, and apparently has had it all along, then of all people Dende, Goku and Vegeta should be able to sense it! I'd say the only thing this does do is restore the motivation for Goku to want to train Uub, since now that he has god ki, if he can tap into that and apply it to Kid Buu's own natural strength then he can have a god-tier opponent to fight against. It'd be like Golden Frieza all over again essentially, except with god ki shortcuts instead of massive amounts of normal ki. === On an unrelated note to the Uub conversation, I forgot to mention that Moro's increase in strength yet again doesn't make sense. 1. Moro absorbs all of Goku/Vegeta's sweet sweet god ki. Vegeta confirms that his eating of their energy has made him stronger. 2. GSB beats him down after he absorbs a post-ToP, post-Broly Goku and Vegeta's power. 3. Moro eats only part of Namek's energy and in turn becomes stronger than GSB. 4. Goku and Vegeta and Moro himself all note that this is yet another increase in Moro's power, but then the Saiyans boldly claim that just one of them at SSB could take him sans magic. 5. This is after he's already absorbed like 99% of Goku and Vegeta's energy once, on top of absorbing some Namek energy. But just one of them at SSB is enough to take him? ...How? This is like if Cell reabsorbed #18 and declared that now he can absolutely fight SS2 Gohan and win this time around. 6. This is also of course not accounting for whatever Moro's third wish was. Could it be...immortality? Please make it immortality. I'd love to fully cement by comparison to this being similar to Garlic Jr. Then they could just use the Mafuba or something I dunno. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 4:40:56 GMT
I'd say the only thing this does do is restore the motivation for Goku to want to train Uub, since now that he has god ki, if he can tap into that and apply it to Kid Buu's own natural strength then he can have a god-tier opponent to fight against. It'd be like Golden Frieza all over again essentially, except with god ki shortcuts instead of massive amounts of normal ki. I agree with that but I'm just saying I think Goku would have to lose interest in Vegeta being his rival to look forward to Uub potentially being stronger and able to keep up with his strongest form. Jiren and Broly were also treated as new rivals but weaker than MUI and around the same tier as Beerus who was Goku's goal to surpass since DBS began. That's one reason why I don't think Goku will continue getting much stronger with new forms surpassing Angel tier and so on because then he would have less of a reason to look forward to Uub. If he masters UI and surpasses his GoD tier rivals but the next big tier isn't within reach, he might consider Uub as the last mortal that could give him a good fight. |
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Post by Axalon on Jun 22, 2019 4:45:03 GMT
I'd say the only thing this does do is restore the motivation for Goku to want to train Uub, since now that he has god ki, if he can tap into that and apply it to Kid Buu's own natural strength then he can have a god-tier opponent to fight against. It'd be like Golden Frieza all over again essentially, except with god ki shortcuts instead of massive amounts of normal ki. I agree with that but I'm just saying I think Goku would have to lose interest in Vegeta being his rival to look forward to Uub potentially being stronger and able to keep up with his strongest form. Jiren and Broly were also treated as new rivals but weaker than MUI and around the same tier as Beerus who was Goku's goal to surpass since DBS began. That's one reason why I don't think Goku will continue getting much stronger with new forms surpassing Angel tier and so on because then he would have less of a reason to look forward to Uub. If he masters UI and surpasses his GoD tier rivals but the next big tier isn't within reach, he might consider Uub as the last mortal that could give him a good fight. Oh I absolutely agree with this sentiment, especially if we look at DBS and its history. Frieza training led to a new form that was superior to SSB, though burned out quicker. #17 "training" via fighting poachers led to him becoming SSB-tier. Now take someone with the potential to be as strong as Kid Buu, give him god ki to boot, and then actually have him train with Goku himself? Uub would probably NEED to be dealt with by UI Goku at that point, with Jiren and Broly as a good warm-up team for Uub to prepare for UI Goku. EDIT: I love the internet when it gives me what I want:  |
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Post by squirz96 on Jun 28, 2019 20:45:14 GMT
Now this chapter kinda hints that Uub might become next Hakaishin. Of course right now in the story he is young kid about five years old, but given content we had in last chapter we know: Kid Buu had some God Ki - but most likely he wasn't intelligent enough to utilize that.
He was also been reincarnated as Uub who is currently young child.
Another thing I want to point out that despite Uub being reincarnation of Kid Buu it doesn't mean that he is even as nearly as powerful as Kid Buu was right now. When in the end of DBZ Goku fought with Uub I clearly doubt that Uub at that time was same level as Kid Buu. You could argue that Piccolo is reincarnation of his father King Piccolo and was born as strong as his father was. Important thing to notice that King Piccolo put his whole essence into that egg and Piccolo had his father's memories and abilities. Uub right now is just a child living in poor village.
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Post by crusaderpiccolo on Jul 1, 2019 12:48:43 GMT
i want piccolo somehow help with the moro case.as for uub they may use time travel.he is too young now to help
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Post by squirz96 on Jul 1, 2019 16:59:43 GMT
i want piccolo somehow help with the moro case.as for uub they may use time travel.he is too young now to help Piccolo definitely should join. It would be war crime if they ditched him. |
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Post by Son Pan on Jul 1, 2019 17:42:47 GMT
I don’t see why they just don’t give Piccolo a new power up to make him relevant again. I’m not sure why Toriyama has been so lax with power scaling with 17, but keeps a hard limit on Piccolo.
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Post by Azoth on Jul 19, 2019 22:26:19 GMT
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Post by Ashanark on Jul 19, 2019 23:57:51 GMT
 Pretty much sums up this arc. And DBS in generalFrom a writing standpoint, Moro using his wish to free a friend/ally is actually pretty creative...if he couldn't have just as easily freed the mooks without a wish using his own power and if he had actually needed their help for anything. Pretty underwhelming. I wonder if there's a fanfic somewhere with a better-executed take of a villain using a wish for an altruistic reason (as Moro's wasn't, not really). Make it happen, people! Anyway, this whole Moro saga just doesn't make any sense. Characters forget things that happen to them, remember things but don't learn from them in any way, make decisions that make no sense, underestimate things, overestimate things (generic mooks! Oh no!), act out of character...It's really sloppy. Dragon Ball has never been the epitome of writing but we've really hit a nadir here. I can see Toyotaro (or is it Toei? Or Toriyama? I really want to know the creative process behind this) sitting at his desk at 3:00 AM, throwing pencils up at the ceiling, trying to think up what to do next and really regretting he didn't go with that "Resurrection C" arc some Toei exec had pushed at him. As he tosses away a note with "Buu absorbs Goku and Vegeta?" scribbled on it, he wipes his eyes and suddenly thinks: "Y'know, we haven't seen Planet Yardrat in a while..." |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 3:32:16 GMT
-Well that was an...interesting wish but kind of a waste. If Moro was able to break out himself when he was malnourished, couldn't he free the other prisoners after stealing energy from Goku and Vegeta? I don't understand how this is supposed to help him achieve his goal. They probably wouldn't do anything that he couldn't do himself considering he's sharing some of his energy with.
-I'm not sure what Vegeta wants to learn from the Yardrats. It was known that the Yardrats had unique abilities but I'm pretty sure no one knew what they were exactly. It could be cool if he grabbed the other Z fighters along the way so they could deal with Moro's army while the big guns go after Moro. It would be like RoF...except the others aren't fighting some 2nd rate fodder soldiers and these guys would be more of a challenge after getting powered up by Moro.
-I hope "to create an ideal galaxy" is a mistranslation and Moro meant "universe". If there are only 28 inhabitants in the entire universe, there would only be a handful in that galaxy! He could go after empty planets as well although that isn't as threatening. There was always a dispute about how many galaxies there are in the DB universe. Some fans believe there are only four galaxies one watched over by each Kai while others believe the universe is divided into four quadrants with an unknown number of galaxies in each. In either cases, there aren't many planets to divide among them. If there are only four galaxies, that's only about seven planets in each. If there are countless number of galaxies, there would be even fewer planets in each one with many galaxies being completely devoid of life.
-I'm starting to think this entire saga is filler aside from the reveal of Grand Kaioshin being much stronger than originally thought and that Uub inherited some of his God ki. It's written by Toyotaro with only Toriyama overlooking each chapter. I read on Kanzenshuu that Toei might be making preparations for the next movie but the earliest it would come out is 2020 and there may not be another anime at all (I hope!). It could be that Toyotaro is just trying to stretch this out as much as possible while Toriyama works on the movie's storyline.
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Post by squirz96 on Jul 20, 2019 8:55:54 GMT
Doesn't look like this saga would end up with chapter or two. I wonder what Vegeta wants from Yardrats. Moro reminds of King Piccolo. As King Piccolo also released "dangerous" prisoners. This wish is way better then immortality. We all know how Trunks Saga ended up. My guess is that Moro would try to use those "buffed" up prisoners to his advantage.
Maybe in his time he had empire just like Frieza does. Although Frieza is Lawful Evil and Moro seems to be Chaotic Evil. I wouldn't be surprised if they would meet each other next chapter.
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Post by squirz96 on Jul 20, 2019 9:02:11 GMT
-Well that was an...interesting wish but kind of a waste. If Moro was able to break out himself when he was malnourished, couldn't he free the other prisoners after stealing energy from Goku and Vegeta? I don't understand how this is supposed to help him achieve his goal. They probably wouldn't do anything that he couldn't do himself considering he's sharing some of his energy with. -I'm not sure what Vegeta wants to learn from the Yardrats. It was known that the Yardrats had unique abilities but I'm pretty sure no one knew what they were exactly. It could be cool if he grabbed the other Z fighters along the way so they could deal with Moro's army while the big guns go after Moro. It would be like RoF...except the others aren't fighting some 2nd rate fodder soldiers and these guys would be more of a challenge after getting powered up by Moro. -I hope "to create an ideal galaxy" is a mistranslation and Moro meant "universe". If there are only 28 inhabitants in the entire universe, there would only be a handful in that galaxy! He could go after empty planets as well although that isn't as threatening. There was always a dispute about how many galaxies there are in the DB universe. Some fans believe there are only four galaxies one watched over by each Kai while others believe the universe is divided into four quadrants with an unknown number of galaxies in each. In either cases, there aren't many planets to divide among them. If there are only four galaxies, that's only about seven planets in each. If there are countless number of galaxies, there would be even fewer planets in each one with many galaxies being completely devoid of life. -I'm starting to think this entire saga is filler aside from the reveal of Grand Kaioshin being much stronger than originally thought and that Uub inherited some of his God ki. It's written by Toyotaro with only Toriyama overlooking each chapter. I read on Kanzenshuu that Toei might be making preparations for the next movie but the earliest it would come out is 2020 and there may not be another anime at all (I hope!). It could be that Toyotaro is just trying to stretch this out as much as possible while Toriyama works on the movie's storyline. Four galaxies are from filler. DBS showed up that they are way more galaxies then just four. |
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